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Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Chewy, Mar 10, 2008.

  1. Mar 10, 2008
    Chewy

    Chewy New Member

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    Long time reader, first time writer.

    I would like to complete a power steering conversion on my 71 CJ-5 with the Dauntless and a Ross manual steering system. My wife wants to drive it, but the "muscle" required is a bit intimidating.

    Would the power steering system (tilt column, pump, and gearbox) from a 1979 jeep truck work with the power steering conversion described in the tech section? These parts are available at a local junk yard for $100. It has a four bolt mount, but I am not sure if it is similar in other regards to a box out of a CJ with power steering.

    Thanks for helping a newbie.
     
  2. Mar 11, 2008
    grannyscj

    grannyscj Headed to the Yukon

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    The box and pump will be good. A late '70s J20 box is about the best you can get. The mount is the same as in tech. Practically any column can be made to work, even the original (what I'm doing). The pump will be the same also. Bracketry is another matter, it is specific to the engine.:v6:
     
  3. Mar 11, 2008
    Chewy

    Chewy New Member

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    Thank you for the information.
     
  4. Mar 11, 2008
    Chewy

    Chewy New Member

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    Pulled the entire steering system out of the J-20. Time to start cleaning and looking at the fabrication process. Will the drag link, pitman arm, and/or tie rod be usable with a little modification?

    The J-20 is still sitting in the junk yard with a V-8 and two axles under it if anyone in interested. Airway Auto Salvage in Battle Creek, MI
     
  5. Mar 12, 2008
    grannyscj

    grannyscj Headed to the Yukon

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    If you're talking about the J20 stuff, possibly. Definitely keep the pitman arm, it may work. You'll have to cut down the tie rod and drag link (make sure you still have enough threads left inside for proper adjustment)
    If you're talking about the CJ stuff, about the only thing you keep is the cross steer TRE. You need a new knuckle to knuckle tie rod (use cross steer TRE on pass side and a right side TRE on driver's), a cross steer TRE to pitman arm drag link, and a new pitman arm. The tie rod and drag link can be purchased as a pair from AA, Herm's, and others. The pitman arm can be sourced anywhere from Flaps and junkyards to new. Advice on the pitman arm is hard to come by. I'll be doing it last to decide for myself.:v6:
     
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  6. Mar 13, 2008
    Roboter

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    Make sure you got the exhaust manifold exhausting the right way on drivers side or you will have pump install issues.
     
  7. Mar 15, 2008
    Chewy

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    The exhaust is currently stock. By looking at the pictures, that is the wrong way for clearance?
     
  8. Mar 15, 2008
    Roboter

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    The exit pipe needs to be at the back of the motor. I think a 231 manifold will work.
     
  9. Mar 15, 2008
    trickpatrick

    trickpatrick Done? LOL

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    Yes it will .and yes you need it.
    Front dump, and rear dump.

    The stock one ( front dump) will be in the way.
     
  10. Mar 15, 2008
    tinker

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    it needs to be a 1978 or older to have the ports match up properly.
     
  11. Mar 16, 2008
    Chewy

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    Anyone have one laying around they want to get rid of? If not, I need to look for a Buick of 1978 vintage or older with a 231 then?

    Thanks for the info
     
  12. Mar 16, 2008
    Chewy

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    OOOPs, I mean 1978 or newer
     
  13. Mar 16, 2008
    Chewy

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    OK, 78 or older, is that the 3.2ltr?
     
  14. Mar 17, 2008
    electricontr

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    I knew the heads weren't interchangeable between odd and even fire cause of water passage problems, but what difference is in the exhaust port layout?
     
  15. May 29, 2008
    Chewy

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    I finally found a little "round to it" and am back at the project. The pump bracket from the J-20 definately does not work. Is there a particular year range I should look for when seeking a 231 pump bracket?
     
  16. May 30, 2008
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    When I was looking, I believe the advice I got was late 70s through about 83 Buick 231. Pull the pump bracket and all the pulleys (crank, water pump) from the donor... the stock ones on the 225 may not line up properly.
     
  17. Jun 29, 2008
    Chewy

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    I am down to the tie rod set-up. The J-20 pitman arm tie rod end hole, on the Saginaw power steering box, is considerably larger than stock. Do I need a new pitman arm? Would it be cheaper to use the rods and pitman arm from Herm? Any thoughts on home engineering are appreciated.
     
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  18. Jul 11, 2008
    Chewy

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    An adjustment sleeve from a 1997 Cherokee, 2.5 ltr, fits perfectly between the stock tie rod ends!!!
     
  19. Jul 11, 2008
    windyhill

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    Herm has nice heavy duty tie rods will also make custom ones.
     
  20. Jul 13, 2008
    zed

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    I used the rods from Herm. No problems. Fit well, sturdy. You may have to cut a little off the end so you can have full adjustment for toe in. which is not abnormal.
     
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