DJ 5 Questions

I just bought a 1967 DJ 5 as a parts Jeep. The DJ came from the factory with the F134 coupled to a 2-speed powerglide. It also has the standard CJ 5 grill. Does anyone know much about this type of a set up? I can't find this combination of drivetrain anywhere on the web.

Thanks

 

What year is it?
I found a 1973 DJ-5 that has a 232 AMC, (Rambler) engine with an (I think) 727 Chrysler automatic transmisson. It is 2wheel drive and right hand drive. IE the driver sits on the right. It is an old Mail Jeep. Matt W.

 

You're sure it's an F134 and not a Chevy 153? The 4-cyl Chevy was used in the postal DJ for a while with the Powerglide. I've never heard of the 134-Powerglide combo - very very unlikely.

The 153 is quite desirable, BTW. Used extensively in midget racers.

There's a site on the web somewhere that describes all the forms the DJ-5x went through. The postals were called DJ-5A, DJ-5B, etc. and the open body Jeeps were the DJ-5.

Here's one site, but not the one I was thinking of: http://www.postal-jeep.com/postal-jeep.asp

 

The 232 in 1973 is a unified-pattern AMC engine, not the same as the old Rambler 232 (If that's what you were thinking).

 

My Dj5 was by definition a 2 wheel drive version of the Cj5. So a Dj6 is a two wheel drive Cj6. Differences in 1967 when mine was made were a solid front i beam axle with king pins, no tnxfr case and a centered rear diff, don't think it was a D44. Pretty much the drive train behind the bell housing was only two wheel capable and unique to the Dj. From the Bellhousing forward it was a Cj. The tnxfr case hole in the floor had a cover plate.
I put a V-8 in it, a mil spec free floating rear axle, converted it to 4x4 and it was still titled as a Dj-5. Mine had a seven slat grill which was proper for a Dj5 from KW. It was indistinguishable from a Cj grill it just hed a couple extra slats. The Cj grill and Dj grills are interchangeable. As Tmgr said, are you sure your Dj5 hasn't been messed with?? The plate on the fire wall isn't perhaps the best way to sex a jeep. Many things have been done in and to even the most pristine jeeps in the dark moonlight, a 40 year old Jeep and access to "midnight autoparts" has led to many strange marriages.
Good luck

 

Out here in the sticks, most folks who used DJ's to deliver mail were contract employees. They bid on the routes they service, so most of the time they don't make a lot of money. Hence, DJ maintenance and repair seems to fall more towards the "whatever it takes to keep this POS running for the least amount of $$" school of repair. Besides, Jeeps crosspolinate like few other vehicles...

 

Just some pics of an unmolested 1966 DJ5.

 

Tim, I was unaware that the 232 in some Jeeps were the unified pattern AMC. Could you explain this to me? Back in the early 1970's I installed the Rambler 232 and its bell housing into several Jeeps. So as I understand you, The bolt pattern from the engine to the bell housing is diffrent from the Rambler to the Amc "Unified pattern". What is meant by the "unified pattern"? Was the bell housing to the transmission diffrent then? You sure got my attention with this information! Thanks for your help. Matt W.

 

Well, "unified pattern" is the name I use... in mid-year 1970, AMC changed the bellhousing pattern of its inline 6 engines to the same pattern as the V8 - the AMC engine line was "unified" to the same pattern. Prior to 1970, AMC had the 199 and 232 OHV engines with the "Rambler" pattern, the same bell pattern as the older 196 cid engine, originally designed by Nash in the 1930s.

In 1970, the new engines had the 232 and 258 displacements. These engines mostly retained the design of the older 199 and 232 engines, but with a new engine block that changed the deck height and the bell pattern. The 258 crank was new, but the 199 rods went to the 232 and the 232 rods went to the 258, and the deck height and pistons were changed to match.

The 232 was discontinued in 1978 or 1979. The 258 was updated in 1981 with a new lighter block casting, new intake and exhaust manifolds, fewer crank counterweights, and the infamous plastic valve cover.

 

Timgr,
Somewhere in the depths of my memory, I seem to recall that when they went to the lighter 258, they reduced the amount of bearings from 7 to 5, in addition to what you spoke of above. But I could have a defective memory here, in which case, I should be a politican. But then again, I always thought Weatherperson would be nice...you get PAID to be wrong.

 

Nope, I'm sure it remained at 7 main bearings. The number of counterweights was reduced (though I'm not certain of the exact number - could have been 7 to 5) - they were removed to lighten the engine. Maybe that's what you're thinking of.

Many of the older inline 6s had 4 main bearings - that's a journal at each end and a journal between each pair of throws.

 

Tim, Thanks for your response!! I learned a thing or two today! Then, as I understand it the bolt pattern for the bellhousing to engine for the Rambler 6 cylender engines were the same from the 1930's (Nash) to mid year 1970 (AMC)? If so then I could have used a flat head 1956 rambler engine in my 1941 Nash series 600? I had a good 56 engine and a parts 41 Nash 600 with a bad engine IE hole in the side of the block. Very few would have been able to tell the difference. Oh well whats done is done.
Then if I need parts for this 232 in my 1973 (PO) or 1974 (title) I need to make sure that I say it is for an AMC? or a Jeep? I will do the needed research to find the seriel numbers for the engine, trans, and the frame/vehicle when I get it cleaner and it is not quite so cold.
What years can I use parts for this DJ-5? Will Jmairz's 1967 possibly be a donor as he is using it for a parts vehicle? The DJ special parts will not fit his CJ's.
Thanks in advance for your helpful replies. Matt W.

 

I'm not sure that bolt-in compatibility goes that far back, but it's supposed to be the same engine, so maybe.

Yes, either, though if you specify the year that should be enough. The early design 232 was not produced any more after mid-year 1970. The pre-71 232 was only used in AMC/Rambler cars before 1971, and was the standard engine for the Wagoneer and J-truck in the late 60s up to the changeover.

Matt, this is a postal (ie DJ-5A,B,C, etc)? The postals have quite a few differences from the CJs, from what I've seen and heard.

 

Okay, I'm finally back to the shop...
My DJ 5 was NOT stock as PO claimed. Upon teardown I found evidence of a clutch and the bolt holes in the frame where the old 3-speed was located. That said, It's basically a RHD, 2WD CJ5 with an F-134. Everything, and I do mean everything bolts up to the CJ including heater, clutch cables, shakles etc.
My big project now is to tear down the donor CJ and start building a RHD CJ. The only problems I can see right off the batt are with pitman arm location. That may require a few trips to the fab shop.
If anyone is looking for some DJ axles, please let me know.
Thanks to all who have contributed, it's amazing how much knowledge is out there.