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Help ID power steering box.

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by windyhill, Dec 12, 2007.

  1. windyhill

    windyhill Sponsor

    Hey, Got a 71 cj5 recently with a power steering convertion. Box is blown and don't know what it's from to replace it. Is this a stock CJ box? Has three mounting holes. sorry pics are fuzzy. Thanks.
     
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2008
  2. scott milliner

    scott milliner Master Fabricator

    I just took mine to the local FLAPS and the got me a box with the same part number.

    That box isn't the heavy duty four bolt box. That box has the smaller input shaft. So if you replace it with the heavy duty one you will have problem mounting it up. FYI
     
  3. timgr

    timgr We stand on the shoulders of giants. 2022 Sponsor

    If it's a Saginaw, it should have a script "S" with a box around it cast into the case or cover. A Ford will have the blue oval somewhere.

    AFAIK all the full-size Saginaw boxes use the same bolt pattern, so an exact match isn't critical. 3-bolt and 4-bolt will interchange with/without the 4th bolt.
     
  4. windyhill

    windyhill Sponsor

    Ok great, thats good to know. Is there one with a better ratio then others? I don't want the stearing to touchy. Thanks guys.
     
  5. Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

    There are many ratios for them - you want one for a 'heavey' car - not the camaro version :) . Best way to tell is to count rotations from lock to lock and go with the one with the most.
     
  6. scott milliner

    scott milliner Master Fabricator

    I guess I should have said. Mounting the steering shaft to the box not the way it mounts.:oops:
     
  7. windyhill

    windyhill Sponsor

    Scott, are the heavy duty 4 bolt ones typicaly the ones with more turns lock to lock like warloch is talking about? It's hard to tell how many turns lock to lock on mine as it just keeps turning and turning and the wheels don't move.R) How many turns am I looking for? Thanks guys
     
  8. Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

    Mine are about 4 lock to lock... I can check this weekend if you need me to.

    Got to heat the shop and dig out my 'steering' box to get them - it's 14 right now and it supposed to get colder ;)
     
  9. windyhill

    windyhill Sponsor


    That give's me some where to start Thanks. and
    berrrr! here:coffee::tea::tea::tea::coffee::)
     
  10. mpc

    mpc Member

    Mine is a Camaro box and I think it's about 2-3/4" turns for reference.
     
  11. Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

    Jeeps used 4 1/4 turns lock to lock, large GM cars can be from 3 1/2- 4 1/4 turns, Camaros , Novas and the sportier cars will be 2 3/4 turns.
    Not all Saginaw boxes have the S script on them, most but not all. I have 2 of them that don't. What you have appears to be a 800 series saginaw which is the most common. The 800 series boxes share the same bolt pattern between the 3 and 4 bolt models, just missing one bolt. There are also flare fitting models and o-ring models when it comes to the hoses. The input shaft can be 3/4"-30 spline or 13/16"-36 spline depending on year and model.
    This casting number ([FONT=Arial,Helvetica]5691676 ) [/FONT]should get you a 4 1/4 turn box with 13/16"-36 spline input shaft with 4 bolt mount.
     
  12. punkraucous

    punkraucous New Member

    I went with an AGR super box 2 and their superpump for my conversion on a 55 cj5.
    it's an aftermarket 4 bolt mount saginaw box with variable ratio, I think it's 13:1and 16:1 at highway speed. it's about 3 turns lock to lock, and not as sharp at higher speeds, haven't got it back on the highway yet. ordered mine through summit racing, a bit pricey but beats the junkyard or kragens.
     
  13. windyhill

    windyhill Sponsor

    Thanks Guys! Mcruff That's what needed.
     
  14. AKCJ

    AKCJ Active Member

    There's a writeup on rebuilding this steering box in the recent FOUR WHEELER magazine. Fairly good pictures of the process. Anybody done it? If so is it worth it?
     
  15. lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

    I went to Advance Auto, ordered a rebuilt box from Lares Corp for a '75 CJ5.
    It was 4-bolt, flared fittings. Matched up to my conversion perfectly.
    Cost of a rebuilt box was $150 after core.
    Advance Auto won't tell you they can get Lares boxes, they want to push something else... but they will get them if you ask... check prices on their website.

    Look up
    www.Larescorp.com for more info on their rebuilds, ratios, and selection of boxes.