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Oversize Tires

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by bergy9, Sep 21, 2007.

  1. Sep 21, 2007
    bergy9

    bergy9 Jeep Maffia, CJ 5 Chapter

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    I have a 71 that when I bought it has 33 x 12.5 tires. I was talking with a friend telling him I would like to drop the size down to say 30 x 9.5. He said the larger tire's could tear up the axel's or running gear. Is this or could this be true?
     
  2. Sep 21, 2007
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Could but doubtful long as you keep your head about you.

    The rear axle is plenty strong. Front is strong enough.

    JMO.

    For reference, I run 33x10.5s on mine.
     
  3. Sep 21, 2007
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    I ran 33x12.50s on my '71. No problem, offroaded it quite a bit, on moderate + obstacles.

    The stock D27 front axle will be OK with a light foot and grabbing no air with tires spinning.
    Two upgrades you might consider:
    Doing a knuckle-stud conversion on your D27, or
    swapping the D27 out for a later D30.

    Both of these are good upgrades and will reduce the worry factor of running the 33s.

    Info on both of these swaps is here via forum search and in the tech library on the home page.

    If you need new tires, as Sparky suggested 33x10.50 maintains the height while saving some weight/reducing wear on steering components
     
  4. Sep 21, 2007
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    Normally the drivers' right foot tends to be the main cause of stuff tearing up. :)
     
  5. Sep 21, 2007
    timgr

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    Yep. Driving habits are the critical variable here.

    However, remember that this size is way larger than what was available at the time the Jeep was built, so you have to keep your expectations in check. A light foot and finesse will be your salvation.
     
  6. Sep 21, 2007
    nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

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    What they said:). I ran 33x12.50's for years with stock axles (44 tapered axle rear and 25 front) with few problems with a Buick V-6. I only upgraded when I started tearing up 25 spider gears doing stuff I shouldn't have anyway. Nickmil
     
  7. Sep 21, 2007
    bergy9

    bergy9 Jeep Maffia, CJ 5 Chapter

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    Thank you for all that replied. Lynn I am going be looking for a later Dana 30 for the front, with disc's thinking this might be a easier to complete up grade verse looking for all the parts from various vehicle to complete. I guess unless I can get a good deal from the local tire shop as a trade I will keep the 33's since they are almost new.
    I would agree also with you Glenn that the right foot can cause alot of damage.
     
  8. Oct 2, 2007
    gopher_6_9

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    I ran 33x15.50 TSL's on mine with no problem and I am not easy on it (put it this way last ofroad vehicle in 2 months I burnt it, broke 2 hubs, 2 driveshafts, complpetly busted the front spindle....) never had a problem, dropped down to 32x10.50's now because I hated the 12" wheels and dropped back down to 10's, will be replaceing the tires shortly with 33x12.50's
     
  9. Oct 2, 2007
    StraightToPlaid

    StraightToPlaid Ludicrous speed!!!!

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    I run 32"s without any issue. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but your 71 should have a flanged Dana 44 in the rear which is darn strong.
     
  10. Oct 2, 2007
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Yep the 71 models had a flanged axle dana 44 which is basically the strongest axle put in a cj from the factory.
     
  11. Oct 2, 2007
    Boyink

    Boyink Super Moderator Staff Member

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    There is a prevailing notion out there, fueled by other "big dog Jeepers" websites and to some extent the Jeep magazines, that Early Jeep axles are inherently weak and need replacing before you even so much as look at a gravel road.

    It's just not true - lots of Jeeps have been runnning 33's on stock axles for years before these sites or magazines ever came long to tell them differently.

    Keep the 33's if you want them...I'll bet you never have an issue...
     
  12. Oct 3, 2007
    66cj5

    66cj5 Jeep with no name

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    remember this: as you replace things (axle shafts, driveshafts, etc...) with stronger parts, then the more expensive things break (transmission, transfer, axle housings, etc...).

    much better off in my view to keep the tire size under 33, as parts are less likely to break and if they do stock parts are cheaper to buy.
     
  13. Oct 3, 2007
    Corveeper

    Corveeper Member

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    I’m running 33X12.5’s with a, modestly guestimated, 300 horse V-8 and my biggest problem has been with the spider gears on the stock Dana 25. Replaced the stock carrier with a Power Lok LSD and those problems went away.

    It’s been my general experience when “bench wheeling” that griping has replaced actual knowledge of the subject. When someone doesn’t know better they’ll simpley claim, “Oh you can’t run those tires or your axles will go snapety snap.” The truth is you can break Rockwell axles with a 4 cylinder if you’re stupid enough with the loud pedal.

    Your stock axles are a decent set, as mentioned before. With a stock motor and some common sense, they’ll probably do just fine with 33’s.
     
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  14. Oct 3, 2007
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    Alot of what you can get away with running has to do with where and how you run your rig (as stated). Personal experience based on the 'where' I wheel required a more vigerious use of the skinny pedal as wheel motion was important to get over some obsticles. That would NOT have been true had there been a locker employed... Once I went with more hp it became a fact that if I went over the 31"X10.5 on my D25/D27 I started to chew up spider and axle gears. If I stayed out of the pedal to stay safe, there were just certain places I could not get up and over. I have also geared down and that can add alot more torque issues at certain places in the drive train.

    FWIW - I am going to 33X10.5s on my D30.
     
  15. Oct 3, 2007
    packrat2A

    packrat2A Member

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    I run 35x12.5x15 Swampers on my '74.

    If I didn't do really hard runs in the mud bog competitions around here, I bet my axles would still be in one piece! R) R)

    Dmage so far:
    1 outer shaft and u-joint on the front
    1 twisted-in-half driveshaft tube
    1 set of really smooth teeth on my Dana 44's spider gears

    and the list will get bigger....:beer:
     
  16. Oct 4, 2007
    TexColorado

    TexColorado Member

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    I haven't had any problems with my axles yet although I am not one to abuse my stuff.
     
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