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Rear crossmember: original or 4" channel?

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Txjake, Sep 5, 2007.

  1. Sep 5, 2007
    Txjake

    Txjake I wrenched with Sparky

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    I am contemplating replacing the crossmember on my '70 because it is very cobby. I have looked at the repo ones, seem pretty staightforward, around $80.00, IIRC. A piece of 4" channel is about $20.00. I am planning on setting up some sort of rear mounted swing-away spare mount. Just wondering a few things:

    1. A "C" is torsionally more rigid than an "L"; this and the increased thickness of the "C" channel would seem to reduce frame flex. Knowing that the frame is supposed to twist some per design, would the introduction of the "C" channel adversely affect the function of the frame, perhaps to the point of introducing stress risers somwhere else on the frame, and will it hurt the off-road flexiness 5s are known for?

    2. The stock crossmember is pretty flexy, although my original one is a two layered thing. Are the new ones, also two layered? And, if I use it as an anchor point for my spare tire rack, is it going to fail (crack) when extra load is introduced?

    Am I thinking too deeply on this? :?
     
  2. Sep 5, 2007
    speedbuggy

    speedbuggy Looking for a Jeep now

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    If you are planning a big tire carrieir and rack, use the 4" channel. Tie it in to the frame well and you'll never have trouble

    Just my humble opinion, though...
     
  3. Sep 5, 2007
    bkd

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    Not sure I have the answer for you but....
    I'm using a 1/8" by 3 1/2" channel from outside of framerail to outside of framerail. I'll build my bumper/tire mount w/ supports that bolt to the frame directly. I was afraid to mount directly to the crossmember because it seemed flimbsy and I want to build a reciever into it.
    IIRC there was a thread in the fabricators forum that gave me the inspiration
    Jim S.
     
  4. Sep 5, 2007
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    As a side note the replacement rear channel that firefightermike bought from Krage is 50-60% thicker than the stock one and its not a 2 piece unit. The factory unit is a formed C channel except at the very ends. My 71 model rear crossmember is not a 2 piece design. You may not have afactory unit, is it rivoted to the frame or bolted?
     
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  5. Sep 5, 2007
    Txjake

    Txjake I wrenched with Sparky

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    It is riveted. and I stand corrected, part of it is "C" and the outer endges are "L". Still 2 piece.
     
  6. Sep 5, 2007
    jd7

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    I used 4" channel before and tapered the ends up like the stock unit
     
  7. Sep 5, 2007
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    I use C Channel on the front and back ends of the frame. The front is to help with the Saginaw conversion, and back is exactly what your trying to do.
     
  8. Sep 5, 2007
    Txjake

    Txjake I wrenched with Sparky

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    thanks for all the help!
     
  9. Sep 6, 2007
    JeepTherapy

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    I integrated mine into the bumper, rear body mounts, tow points, roll cage frame tie in and receiver hitch. I used 3"X1/4" angle. I have no doubts that mine would support a tire carrier. But I do have some concerns forward of the 3/4" bolt hole as that is where the flex will be moved to. I have been keeping an eye on it. In fact, I have inspected my frame very carefully every few hundred miles since all the work I did to it. Just want to make sure I didn't make new stress points. I haven't had it out and wheeled it hard yet but I hope to soon.

    [​IMG]
     
  10. Sep 6, 2007
    bkd

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    QUOTE=JeepTherapy;529305]I integrated mine into the bumper, rear body mounts, tow points, roll cage frame tie in and receiver hitch. I used 3"X1/4" angle. I have no doubts that mine would support a tire carrier. But I do have some concerns forward of the 3/4" bolt hole as that is where the flex will be moved to. I have been keeping an eye on it. In fact, I have inspected my frame very carefully every few hundred miles since all the work I did to it. Just want to make sure I didn't make new stress points. I haven't had it out and wheeled it hard yet but I hope to soon.

    [​IMG][/QUOTE]

    :beer: yours was the one I was talking about above....nice job
    Jim S.
     
  11. Sep 6, 2007
    Txjake

    Txjake I wrenched with Sparky

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    that is sweet...........
     
  12. Sep 6, 2007
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    I used a 4x4x1/4" square tube on the '71.
    Here's a pic after my frame rail repair, looking in from the drivers rear wheelwell...

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    and from the back

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  13. Sep 6, 2007
    Txjake

    Txjake I wrenched with Sparky

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    so that completely replaced your crossmember? what about the outer body mounts? any problems eliminating those?

    cool tire rack BTW.
     
  14. Sep 6, 2007
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Yep, replaced the crossmember completely.
    Take some good measurements on the frame rails before cutting off the old crossmember.

    My glass tub, when I salvaged it from a dead '68, didn't have outer body mounts, so I didn't put them on the '71. Adding them might have helped a bit in controlling body roll... but might not too.
    Wouldn't be hard to add, just a short gusseted plate with a hole in the middle for the bolt, welded to the inside of the "bumper"...
    My tub was supported in the rear center by a plate that was welded to the bumper with a wide L bracket at the top that the body bolted to.
     
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