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Elementary My Dear Watson - A technical mystery!

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Vanguard, Jun 5, 2007.

  1. Jun 5, 2007
    kaiser_willys

    kaiser_willys Well-Known Member

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    went back and looked again,thats definitely a turbo 350,i saw a picture of a jeep with a sickle mower mounted underneith the jeep with the bar out the side,could this be the pto for it?
     
  2. Jun 5, 2007
    Dabblin

    Dabblin Barn fresh 67 cj5

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    Could the blanking plate be the access for a chain drive??? Maybe the drive output for a Ramsey or Braden winch? Or a chain driven auxiliary unit?
    I'll buy the trany and adapter tube to the Tnx case. Sometimes the cover plate on a PTO access has a bulge for gear clearance. The external PTO is then bolted to the Trany. It seems that the access isn't a gear to gear, it might be a gear to chain PTO. It will be "Interesting" to see the answer my dear Watson.
     
  3. Jun 5, 2007
    Vanguard

    Vanguard Take Off! Staff Member

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    That's no PTO like I've ever seen. Herm should know too. He rebuilds most brands.
     
  4. Jun 6, 2007
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    interesting arrangement indeed
     
  5. Jun 6, 2007
    Glenn

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    It's gotta be a PTO. It appears to have the hole and a detent plug for the shift rail. I wonder if whatever bolts to it has the gear stick out, opposite of the normal looking setup.
     
  6. Jun 6, 2007
    jeepfreak81

    jeepfreak81 When in Doubt, Pedal out!

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    I like the Zamboni idea, the master cyl at the rear would be the brake to 'slide' it around the corner. Would explain why the driveshaft was so short, it wouldn't move much, as well as they are geared really low, and if it is a PTO it would drive the pumps or whatever it is Zambonis use. Not to mention the automatic would be ideal for that situation.
     
  7. Jun 6, 2007
    mb82

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    It is an early version of a flux capacitor.
     
  8. Jun 6, 2007
    bkd

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    Or Zephron Cochran's early warp drive design:)
    Jim S.
     
  9. Jun 6, 2007
    Jeep Rescue

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    I vote for Zamboni. The rear MC makes sense, along with the linkage for the transfer case. PTO would have been used to operate the machine itself. With the MC mounted in the rear, that would tell me only the rear wheels had brakes (Zamboni). What production Jeep on the road would not have front brakes?

    Obviously we would all love to see a few more pics, especially the rear end, and even the steering setup.
     
  10. Jun 6, 2007
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Here is a copy of the Zamboni model A that was built with a jeep drivetrain and gear.
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    Not sure what this thing is but I don't hink its a Zamboni model jeep. There was a Model B, C, D, E and F all with a jeep chassis. They were built from 1950 thru 1964 but there were'nt more than about 200-300 of them built in total. The E was the 1st production unit and they only made 20 of them in 2 years.
     
  11. Jun 6, 2007
    Kodiak12060

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    Is the front driveshaft even connected?
     
  12. Jun 6, 2007
    1970CJ6

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    I don't see a front drive shaft.

    Andrew
     
  13. Jun 8, 2007
    kaiser_willys

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    defenitly starting to lean tword the zamboni,that plate on top looks like where the upward chaindrive in the schematic would go,the auto trans would make perfect sense less linkages to adapt and the rear master cylinder would be easy enough to have been put back there for the pedel for the rear driver,very interesting indeed my dear watson,had never herd of a zamboni till this thred
     
  14. Jun 8, 2007
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Zamboni's would never have had a turbo 350 in them. Zamboni had stopped using Jeep frames before the turbo 350 was ever built.
     
  15. Jun 8, 2007
    Patrick

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    Just for fun, Zamboni #2 (the second one ever built) designed by Frank Zamboni, was in use at our outdoor rink until the late '80's...... It is now in the Smithsonian.....
    That was the story here anyway...
     
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  16. Jun 9, 2007
    Mcruff

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    Patrick, I think that fact is even mentioned on the Zamboni website.
     
  17. Jun 9, 2007
    Glenn

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    Is that really a master cylinder or just a slave cylinder? Kinda hard to tell from the pictures.
     
  18. Jun 9, 2007
    bobcat

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    this is a very interesting thread.i can't wait to see what that thing is.bob
     
  19. Jun 9, 2007
    66cj5

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    I vote for a FC type of top drive pto. like you would need to drive a winch on a wrecker.

    the Zamboni is a VERY close 2nd. It could have been rebuilt at some point with a turbo 350.
     
  20. Jun 9, 2007
    kaiser_willys

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    as i recall the turbo 350 was introduced in 1969,and had the same spline count on the output shaft as a powerglide,now i will be the first to admit i know nothing about a zamboni,but were the zamboni's powerglide era? if so this could have been a upgrade
     
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