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Input on Prepping Garage?

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Boyink, May 4, 2007.

  1. May 4, 2007
    Boyink

    Boyink Super Moderator Staff Member

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    So I'm planning to spray SSDutch as it sits in the garage.

    I'm planning on picking up a bunch of plastic drop-sheets, and have them on the floor and duct-taped to the walls, and to cover all the exterior body on the Jeep.

    Should I not use any fans - for fear of fumes igniting? I have one garage window right next to the Jeep that I could stick a box fan in...but the idea scares me a bit.

    Should I seal off the house door to stop fumes/smell from going that way?

    Any other tips/tricks? I've never shot paint with the HVLP gun so have no idea what to expect -- all I've ever used in the garage is spray-bombs.
     
  2. May 4, 2007
    jayhawkclint

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    Leave the floor concrete. Take a garden hose and spray it down.

    I think you will risk stirring up dust and leaving trash in your finish.

    YESSSS!! It is strong stuff and your house will reek for days if you don't.

    Whatcha using for primer/surfacer? Whatcha using for wax/grease remover?
     
  3. May 4, 2007
    Boyink

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    On both counts - what FLAPS sold me to go with the paint.

    I've already done a couple treatments of the wax/grease remover plus a washdown with a TSP solution.
     
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    jd7

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    Clint about covered it except I put plastic on floor also and spray with water makes cleanup easier and paint off floor. Oh and don't use your door to garage from house for a day or so. I've used a boxfan with an ac filter on it in the window and found that it didn't move much air and I don't think it was anymore fire hazzard than the lighting I was using to see that were outside the plastic. Steve might disagree with me though.
     
  5. May 4, 2007
    jpflat2a

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    I'd wet the area down as Clint has suggested, with or without the plastic.
    I also would probably use the fan in the window, on low speed, to help ventilate the fumes from the garage
     
  6. May 4, 2007
    Warloch

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    Most spray booths have fans to down draft the fumes - if possible you want the fan to pull across the floor area. I helped a buddy last year build a booth in his shop out of PVC tarps and thick plastic. It had an input box and filter on one end at floor level and a low speed output box filtered at the other. You don't want a wind, just a soft breeze. We let it run for a couple hours with the parts in it to pull the dust off and out - sprayed it (he did that part) and the job came out looking like a custom setup.
     
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    timgr

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    Re fans, according to my house painting books, you want positive pressure, and let the air leak out where it may. Negative pressure will pull air in through the cracks and gaps, and make the area dusty. You want the intake to come from a big, clean, open space, maybe even covered with a furnace filter.

    I don't think there's danger of igniting unless you have an open pilot in the garage. Look at your fan - pretty sure they use AC synchronous motors (no brushes) so there won't be sparks while it's running. I know that the box fan I have says it's rainproof, so it shouldn't have any exposed wiring.
     
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    Boyink

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    OK - the fan question may have led you guys to thinking I was going to get more involved than I am.

    I'm just doing the interior of the tub - so frankly am not as concerned about the finish as I would be if I were doing the outside. My bigger concern was to keep the impact to the garage at a minimum - I'm still finding safety yellow dust from spray-bombing my plow in there a couple years ago.

    I'm planning on shooting with the garage door up and all entry doors open for ventilation. The fan idea was just because my window is right there - I'll be shooting towards it quite a bit.

    Dutch had a literal "backyard paint job" - which is where I would be doing this if I could easily get the Jeep there...;)
     
  9. May 4, 2007
    trickpatrick

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    I strongly suggest no plastic on floor.
    Its just to slippery.
    Wet mopping it is best.
    If you have to protect the floor, paint clothdrops are great.
     
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    mruta

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    I was gonna suggest doing it outside until I re-read your last sentence. :oops: Any chance you could do it in the driveway?
     
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    Chris Insull

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    Not to hi-jack, but do you have any pics of that set-up? I'm tired of trying to get a good finish outside...:rofl:
     
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    Boyink

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    OK - really silly question.

    I'll confess - I never really have understood the difference between mineral spirits, paint thinner, lacquer thinner, acetone etc.

    What do I use to clean my gun with after shooting this single stage arcrylic enamel? I have acetone, mineral spirits and the reducer I bought to go with the paint - which has a bunch of stuff in it including acetone, toulene and xylene.

    The gun instructions say to use whatever I use to reduce the paint with - but if one of these other things is close enough...
     
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    I use "high strength" laquer thinner from Ace Hardware. Stuff works better than anything else I've tried. It will even remove paint from the gun that has flashed if you use a toothbrush.
     
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    Rondog

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    Um, you have a good filter mask? If you paint without one you'll regret it.
     
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    Warloch

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    Chris - no picks - there is a 'nicer' version of what we built in the Dec 06 Auto Restorer Mag if you can find it. If not, PM me the end of next week and I will see if I can scan it and Post it.
     
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    Boyink

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    Yep. Even found a new set of filters sitting right next to it when I dug it out to get a # so I could buy a new set of filters...;)

    The bummer is I kicked my allergies into high gear by cleaning out the garage last night. We'll see what I get done today.
     
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    tomcam

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    sounds like your gitting some good answers, One moor thing that will help inside or outside is to GROUND your tub if its sitting on tires -- painting causes static that attracts dust. whin i paint outside i use jumper cables clamped to a rod drove into the ground
     
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    Boyink

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    Huh...that's a new one! Easily do-able though. Thanks.
     
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    timgr

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    Mineral spirits and paint thinner are the same thing. It's a lightweight refinery product, like kerosene; a mixture of a lot of different small molecular weight compounds with a low vapor pressure (ie drys slowly).

    Lacquer thinner is a hotter (higher vapor pressure) solvent used for thinning and cleanup of lacquer - one recipe on the web calls it ethanol, ethyl acetate, and toluene. http://www.hirshfields.com/contractors/contractors_lacq1.html

    Acetone (also known as propanone or dimethyl ketone), is a single compound like xylene or toluene or MEK, and is a very small molecule for a liquid solvent and evaporates very quickly.

    Acetone is a very hot solvent, and evaporates almost as fast as its applied. I don't think it's very useful outside the lab, since it evaporates so fast and likely is an explosion hazard used in any quantity. Great for removing Sharpie ink though, but Goof-Off (methylene chloride IIRC) does everything acetone does, and better.

    I'd use mineral spirits to remove as much of the paint as I could, then a thorough rinse with lacquer thinner or the HD thinner listed above. Acetone would work too, but I think it's too dangerous, esp. since you'll want to spray some through your gun.
     
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