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231 Evenfire or Oddfire?

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Zia Tux, Dec 17, 2006.

  1. Dec 18, 2006
    Dave Cattani

    Dave Cattani New Member

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    When converting from the 4 to a V-6 it was common to find the other right exhaust manifold on the drivers side to clear the old steering box. Some people have told me ( there opinion , not mine) that the diehard Jeepers use points cause they can fix them on the trail. Maybe it was one of these guys who had to have the points.
    over-all , you want the odd-fire for the low end performance and heavier flywheel.
     
  2. Dec 18, 2006
    cj-john

    cj-john Member

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    I want to jump in this thread because I'm not sure about mine either. I don't see a casting number on the back of my block. I see a 3.8 on the right side where the top right bell bolt boss is cast. It has a big GM cast on the oposite side bolt boss. There is a casting boss that is threaded straight through the block directly above the fly wheel, just to the left side. Is that a knock sensor hole? I bought this thing from a guy in New York that told me it was a 231 with GOOD heads but didn't give me a year. It is a HEI motor and has a Edelbrock manifold with a 600cfm Edelbrock/Carter AFB. Runs very strong but I would like to know a year and odd or even fire.
     
  3. Dec 18, 2006
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    There is a casting number on the block, it should be on the top near the boss you speak of. It may also be on the side of the block near the 3.8 cast number. Firefighter mikes was the same as you described, we found the casting number in one of the places I described, can't remember which though, his turned out to be 1983 evenfire motor.
     
  4. Dec 18, 2006
    cj-john

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    Don't see it anywhere. The only thing I see is a big 16 right between the two top bell bolts. And a little tiny m123. ?????
     
  5. Dec 18, 2006
    Dave Cattani

    Dave Cattani New Member

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    Are the firing orders the same on these 2 engines.? Seemed like they were. You should be able to tell by the sound of the thing running, since nothing else sounds like the odd fire!!!!

    You could check some valves opening and closing perhaps since the 1/2 3/4 and 5/6 pistons share a common throw, thus the "odd" fire?? I am not sure, just some ideas.

    I would drop the pan and end the mystery myself.
     
  6. Dec 18, 2006
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    :iagree:

    Firing order is the same, that won't help. If the journals are shared between cylinders (only three) then it's an odd-fire. If they're offset/split and you have six (one for each cylinder) then it's an even fire.

    Drop the pan at your next oil change and check the crank.
     
  7. Dec 18, 2006
    Zia Tux

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    I took some pics. What do you guys think? I can take somemore if there is something specific that may help identify it.
     
  8. Dec 18, 2006
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Thats an oddfire rotor but then again it would probably run fine on an evenfire.
     
  9. Dec 18, 2006
    Zia Tux

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    You know i kinda wonder if the PO thought it was an oddfire 225 and just bought 225 parts when he last tuned because he swore it was the original motor and that it was an experimental Dautless. The points look to be in good shape so they probobly arn't that old. This Jeep is, or at least the tub is a '64 CJ6a Tux, but the drivetrain consists of the V6, T14, D27, D44. Weird. The only thing i can figure is someone down the road pieced this thing togather.
     
  10. Dec 18, 2006
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Drop the oil pan. You may be needing a different distributor. ;)
     
  11. Dec 18, 2006
    Zia Tux

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    So ,asumming the casting # charts are correct, this is an evenfire 231 with an oddfire distributer that the PO mistakenly put on it?
    What can I expect to pay for a 231 evenfire HEI setup at the salvage yard?
     
  12. Dec 18, 2006
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Assuming the charts are correct? If they aren't then someone's got some 'splanin to do and it wasn't Joel who copied it. R)



    Get a non-computer controlled HEI (assuming it is an even fire crank). They go on E-bay for $30 or so.

    Dunno what a new "reman" unit costs at the parts store.
     
  13. Dec 18, 2006
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Wait, are you sure on that number? That doesn't match any of the casting numbers I see. Should be a 255....
     
  14. Dec 18, 2006
    Zia Tux

    Zia Tux Member

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    Good eye Sparky. That was a typo.
    25506397
    C 27 5R)

    I wonder what the C 27 and the big 5 mean? Casting # maybe?
     
  15. Dec 18, 2006
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    I was assuming as much but with the question at hand I wasn't taking anything for granted.
     
  16. Dec 19, 2006
    66cj5

    66cj5 Jeep with no name

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    could have sworn the counterman at flaps said he had a listing for a 1974 buick apollo with a v6 and points ignition.
     
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