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26 or 29 tooth Dana Transfer Case??

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Willy-N, Jun 16, 2005.

  1. Jun 16, 2005
    Willy-N

    Willy-N Member

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    Is there a way I can tell if my Dana 18 Transfer Case is a 6 spline 29 tooth with out tearing it apart? I bought a Saturn OD and it is the 6 spline 29 tooth and was wondering if it will fit. Looked on the Herm Site and nothing was said about this just showed 2 types the 26 and the 29 tooth. I would think my Dana 18 was made in 1962(62 CJ5 Willys) but who knows? Just would be nice to know befor tring to put it in! Any help on this? Mark
     
  2. Jun 16, 2005
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    Drain the oil, pull the round cover that has 5 bolts holding it on, and count the teeth on the drive gear. ;)
     
  3. Jun 16, 2005
    linckeil

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    You can measure the diameter of the intermediate shaft.
    A 1 1/8" intermediate shaft has a 26 tooth gear on it.
    A 1 1/4" intermediate shaft has a 29 tooth gear on it.

    But the best thing to do is take 5 bolts holding the PTO cover off and count the teeth. The cover is below the oil line, so you dont have to worry about any fluid spilling out.

    If you have a T90 trans (as a '62 should as it originally came with a 4 cylinder) then it will be 6 splines.
    If it is a factory equiped V6 model, then you should have 10 splines.
    But again, the best thing to do is to pull that cover off and look.
     
  4. Jun 16, 2005
    Willy-N

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    That is to easy! I thought you would have to pull the planitary section out or something. So you can see the gear with the cover off. I will take a look today. Sure hope it fits or I will have to sell it! Mark
     
  5. Jun 16, 2005
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    I never paid any attention to whether it's completely above the oil fill line, so maybe you don't even need to drain any as suggested. And counting is the only sure way. :hurrican:
     
  6. Jun 16, 2005
    Willy-N

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    The level was real close but it did not leak out sitting level. I guess I scored it is a 29 tooth so it will fit! I only need a $48.00 shifter lever to shift it and the lock washer and special snap ring that I beleive keeps the planitary cluster from getting loose on the shaft out of the Transfer Case it threads onto. I saw them on the Herns Site so I can just order those. The Saturn part list shows them as costing around $7.50 so not to bad. The OD looks pretty new inside no wear on the gears I can see and inside my transfer case it looks nice also no wear I can see thru the cover plate hole. Looks like a easy instalation just need to bolt it in right so the press fit neadle bearing does not bind when bolting it up. This one is the Advanced Adapters re/make of the Saturn Over Drive. Mark
     
  7. Jun 16, 2005
    AKCJ

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    Mark, check out the gear chart on the Novak web site - it really shows the different gears for the different d18's. Just kinda cool to see.

    If you do take that back cover off take a minute to check out the condition of the teeth on the intermediate gear. This is how I found the broken gear teeth on mine.

    Does anybody know what the oil level should be relative the the back cover? The oil fill hole on my d18 is nearly impossible to get to so I just fill through the back cover but not sure how full to fill it.
     
  8. Jun 16, 2005
    Willy-N

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    Since I had just serviced mine when I removed the cover it was about 1/4" below the cover hole bottom. My gears looked nice when I was just in there from what I could see thru the hole. Mark
     
  9. Jun 16, 2005
    MOP

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    V6 models with a T86 tranny (until somewhere in the '68 model year) also have a 6 spline. But again, the best thing to do is to pull the cover off and look ;)

    My 1968 V6 had a T86 and I was able to use the 6 spline warn OD from my '65.
     
  10. Jun 16, 2005
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    Careful Linc - I just installed a 1 1/4" 26 Tooth last night. The only sure thing is that the 1 1/8" will be 26 Tooth.

    Got a new bowel gear and had Herm press bearings in it so I could put the 29 tooth unit in and have a spare so I could mix and match ODs. Right now I have 2 26 and 2 29 tooth units installed, I have 1 26 and 1 29 tooth spair Tcases with the heavey 4X4 season comming up.
     
  11. Jun 16, 2005
    linckeil

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    Wow, I've never heard about a 26 tooth gear on a 1 1/4" shaft.

    Just drives home the fact that the only 100 percent certain way is to open it up and count.
     
  12. May 1, 2022
    Oldpappy

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    Today I have been working on a Warn overdrive I recently acquired. It has a 29 tooth gear on it, and for a six spline shaft (T90). I have been doing some research on which transfer cases have a 29 tooth gear, and found this old thread with some information I found interesting. I know the thread is 17 years old, but since I found it interesting and useful I thought others might benefit.

    From what I have been told, and what I have found in researching this, the D18 with the larger 1 1/4" intermediate shaft usually has the 29 tooth gear, but as mister "Warloch" pointed out above there are variations which have that shaft and a 26 tooth gear.

    I found out today from Keith Buckley (Joe Friday on the CJ2A forum) that the oddball large shaft 26 tooth D18 was used in the the M series military Jeeps. Keith has been very helpful to me with my first dive into an overdrive. With his guidance I was able to disassemble the unit and was very pleased with the condition of the internals. Everything is in good shape, it was just glued together by sticky old dried up gear oil.

    So while this overdrive should fit a CJ5 standard, it would not work on a M38A1.
     
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    Keys5a

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    I’ve had an M38-A1 that had a 29 tooth main drive. I have another original T90/D18 from an A1 in the garage that I’ve never opened up. When I get home next week, I’ll check to see what that has in it.
    -Donny
     
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  14. May 2, 2022
    nickmil

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    I've swapped 26 tooth gear sets in 1 1/4" intermediate small and large input hole cases lots of times for customers. Mostly because their gears were good and they had an overdrive. No modifications needed so always check to see what you have.
     
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    duffer

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    The downside of installing the 26 tooth set in a 29 tooth case is you just made it weaker. When you look at the spur gear teeth, the 29 tooth version has significantly more beef.
     
  16. May 9, 2022
    nickmil

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    I’m well aware of that and have tried to explain that to the customers. When they still insist because they have an overdrive I’ll do it if they sign the paperwork saying they understand it is a down grade. I also don’t warranty breakage and that goes on the paperwork as well.
     
  17. May 12, 2022
    nickmil

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    One other thing I should mention that I didn’t originally. Lots of the customers already had 26 tooth transfer cases with overdrives and simply needed a large input hole transfer case. The benefit was also the larger 1 1/4” intermediate shaft and more needle roller bearings to distribute the load better. Strength of the gears didn’t change but there are other benefits like better load distribution on the intermediate gear and shaft due to more bearings, stronger case, etc., etc.
     
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