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Backfiring Issue

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Mr Vaughan, Jan 30, 2021.

  1. Jan 31, 2021
    CHUGALUG

    CHUGALUG Member

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    I'm going to assume the above statements 1-3 are based on a 6V system.
     
  2. Jan 31, 2021
    CHUGALUG

    CHUGALUG Member

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    If you do need plug wires or Points or a condenser or a coil go to NAPA and buy them.
     
  3. Jan 31, 2021
    Mr Vaughan

    Mr Vaughan

    already got 'em from o'reilly's

    Edit: the points and condenser, that is.
     
  4. Jan 31, 2021
    Mr Vaughan

    Mr Vaughan

    the plug wire on #3 was bad, so we no longer have a plug wire on #3. we checked the valves externally, and they seemed fine, but the oil really needs flushed and replaced, so we're gonna try to do that.
     
  5. Jan 31, 2021
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Be careful of the condenser- there's a lot of bad new ones floating through the system. Check it with an ohmmeter to make sore it's not shorted; if that's ok put it in set the points, close everything up & have someone crank the engine over with the fuel disconnected- listen for a loud snapping noise coming out of the distributer- if you hear that the condenser is no good.
     
  6. Jan 31, 2021
    Mr Vaughan

    Mr Vaughan

    i think i've seen sparks from somewhere down there before.... :worry:
     
  7. Jan 31, 2021
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    You will see a bit of a spark when you open the points but if it's loud & proud you've got a bad condenser. That won't stop the engine from running but it will eat your points up pretty quickly.
     
  8. Feb 1, 2021
    Mr Vaughan

    Mr Vaughan

    i mean i could see that sucker with everything closed up, and it was sparking with the engine, but i just closed the hood. probably a bad idea.
     
  9. Feb 1, 2021
    scoutpilot

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    This goes for both 6 and 12. The reproductions with aluminum contacts and carbon resistor centers pass a lower amperage than copper and brass. This equals a diminished spark.
     
  10. Feb 1, 2021
    dozerjim

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    Do you mean that with the distributor cap on you could see sparks ? If so the get a distributor cap and rotor,plug wires ,spark plugs,points and condenser,set to specs and see where you are at,
    What should an ohm reading be on a bench for a good condenser......a bad one......
     
  11. Feb 1, 2021
    jackdog

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    Your right. Had Dauntless on my mind.
     
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    PeteL

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    All parts of the high voltage system (cap rotor wires plugs coil) must be completely dry and very clean, inside and out. A little grime or moisture will allow the spark to 'track' and be diverted to ground, or possibly even 'crossfire'.

    One trick is to take a look in the dark, watch for random sparks.
     
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    Howard Eisenhauer

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    The condenser is used to shunt the electrical energy from the high voltage part of the circuits Orange) around the open points so it can return the the coil, condensers will allow a surge of current through but not a steady flow so they don't effect the switching action of the points. It takes a meter with a special "capacitance" feature to properly test a condenser. With a common meter ohms function a shorted condenser is bad, one that shows open may be good or it may not.


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    If the condenser is shorted then the low voltage circuit (blue) can't be interupted, i.e. turned on & off, by the points- current will flow constantly through the primary side of the coil & it's the on-off changes that affect the magnetic field inside the coil to produce the high voltage surges in the secondary.

    No on off- no spark.

    If the capacitor is open, i.e. surges can't flow through it, then the HV current will arc across the open point contacts on it's way back to the coil
     

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  14. Feb 1, 2021
    Alan28

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    I bought a new distributor cap and a contact finger so I am sure that contacts are good inside. I also bought wires going from distributor to spark plugs; I can change some more parts but the result was good with this, all clean.
    The fact is that some part can lie used or worn or oxide and this create a bad contact. I bought parts at Rock Auto and it was correct.
    A valve not working well is an other subject; when you check ignition and when you are sure that all is correct with good timing , all plugs making spark at the good time, then maybe a valve.
    You need a lot of patience, noting what you check on a book, that's how I did when young... Now I pay a prop when I can find one.
     
  15. Feb 1, 2021
    PeteL

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    (y) Good tip. I keep a maintainance log book for each vehicle, with dates and milages. Extremely useful!
     
  16. Feb 1, 2021
    Mr Vaughan

    Mr Vaughan

    i just recieved a manual, thanks to matt johnson
     
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    dozerjim

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    Thanks Howard......o_O........I have an old engine analyzer that has leads to test a condenser but I haven't tried it yet...darn honeydews are killing me...:rofl:
     
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