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No More Wobbly Pedals! WHOO HOOO!

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by w3srl, Apr 5, 2005.

  1. Apr 5, 2005
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    No More Wobbly Pedals! NOW WITH PICS!

    This may be old news to some, but I think I just found a solution to the "Wobbly Willys Pedal Syndrome" that plagues almost every old Willys I've ever seen.

    The problem seems to be that the cross-shaft that the brake and clutch pedals ride on goes through a steel bracket that is either bolted or welded to the underside of the frame. That shaft wears unevenly from normal use, as does the bracket. There is no bearing or bushing to replace. You can get a replacement shaft, but you're still stuck with the worn bracket mount.

    Well boys and girls, the big brown goodie-truck just delivered an NOS pedal mount from an M38A1 that has replaceable bronze bushings in it, as well as a zerk fitting to keep it greased. My new Omix-Ada pdeal shaft actually had to be sanded down a bit to get it into the bushings, but now it is silky-smooth and has nary a trace of slop. I can't wait to get it mounted up and try it out! 8)

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    Oh, it ran $55 from Surplus City. www.surplusjeep.com

    Don't bother looking for it on the web site, it isn't there. Just give them a call and they'll know just what you are looking for!
     
    w3srl, Apr 5, 2005
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  2. Apr 5, 2005
    maxx

    maxx Banned

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    uwop. just kidding. did you happen to take any pictures? it sounds really good.
     
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  3. Apr 6, 2005
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    Pics tomorrow...
     
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  4. Apr 6, 2005
    Old Bill

    Old Bill Aggressively passive....

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    Oh sure, NOW you tell me AFTER I got Old Bill back together.... :rofl:

    Congrats on finding a good solution.
     
    Old Bill, Apr 6, 2005
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  5. Apr 6, 2005
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Lynn's pedal arm now has replaceable sleeves thanks to me.;)
     
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  6. Apr 6, 2005
    ljspop

    ljspop Lurking Bronco Dude

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    Sounds like a great fix. Now - do I spend another $50 while the Jeep is in pieces....

    Thanks for sharing.
     
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  7. Apr 6, 2005
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Yes, thanks again Mike! I really need to reinstall that. Hopefully before Tioga.
     
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  8. Apr 6, 2005
    jd7

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    Oh.....they're NOT supposed to wobble...learn something everyday. ;)
     
    jd7, Apr 6, 2005
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  9. Apr 6, 2005
    speedbuggy

    speedbuggy Looking for a Jeep now

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    The wobble is just part of the character of these old jeeps...
     
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  10. Apr 7, 2005
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    Pad. :)
     
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  11. Apr 7, 2005
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    Yup! :D
     
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  12. Apr 8, 2005
    beeser

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    I can't tell by the picture if there's a bracket of some sort welded onto the cross shaft carrier. Is this the same carrier that's used on a '70 CJ5?
     
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  13. Apr 8, 2005
    ljspop

    ljspop Lurking Bronco Dude

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    You are obviously not my wife.
     
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  14. Apr 8, 2005
    beeser

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    I called Surplus City and they confirmed that there is a bracket perpendicular to the shaft that is designed to fit flush against the frame rail. Seems like a good idea and may prevent the assembly from moving out of alignment.
     
    beeser, Apr 8, 2005
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  15. Apr 9, 2005
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    A bracket like that that fits flush against the frame rail sound like it would be pretty redundant to me. The stock M-38A1 did have a flat bracket similar to the '2A that bolted onto the inboard side of the MC and it is held on with the same bolts. This bracket stabilized the end of the shaft. Is that what you mean Beeser?
     
    w3srl, Apr 9, 2005
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  16. Apr 10, 2005
    beeser

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    Yes, I suppose the added bracket would be redundant if the other mounting holes didn't have much slop in them. I'm confused now though. The guy at the surplus store told me the extra bracket bolted to the frame rail. He never mentioned anything about it bolting to the MC. Is it possible to get a clearer picture of the part? I'd like to make sure it would fit my needs before ordering one.
     
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  17. Apr 10, 2005
    beeser

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    Never mind about the other pic. I took a look at the original one and it's clear enough. The extra bracket that I was referring to is the triangular shaped one. Does this bolt to the MC or frame rail?
     
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  18. Apr 10, 2005
    $ sink

    $ sink Gazillians of posts

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    I think this is the bracket of which you speak. found it on a 71 in a junk yard, mounts to the MC bracket and stabilizes the end of the clutch/brake rod. hole in the bracket is bigger than the shaft though. I'm planning to make an adjustable fitting to attach and hold everything in line. sorry about the angle of the picture, had to lay under the jeep to get it upsiddown. :coffee:
     
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  19. Apr 10, 2005
    beeser

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    Actually, no. The bracket that I was referring to is cast into or welded onto the part that bolts to the frame lip (2 places). The bracket is triangular in shape and has one bolt hole that I believe goes to the vertical section of the frame rail.
     
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