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BAD Drivetrain noise!

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by kelly, Mar 30, 2005.

  1. Mar 30, 2005
    kelly

    kelly New Member

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    Here's what I have: 1955 CJ,rebuilt engine, (f-134) rebuilt tranny,(T-90) andT-case (spicer 18) New U-joints on the driveshafts, new wheelbearings,kingpins.Ring and pinions look okay.Her's the problem; when the vehicle gets up to 25-30 mph,a sound comes from underneath the floor that can only be described as if you put a handfull of gravel in a blender and turned it on! The sound is there only under load(when accelerating), it goes away as soon as you let off the gas. The noise was there before the rebuild.thought it was a tranny/ t-case problem,but apparently not.It's hard to tell where the noise is coming from exactly, but it seems to be in the area of the tranny and forward.Any ideas on this? Thanks. :mad: :?
     
  2. Mar 30, 2005
    Hill

    Hill Member

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    Let's think about this. Rebuilt T90, you did fill it with gear lube.... That can't be it. Rebuilt TC, also has lube in it, right? That can't be it, but they do make a nice (to me) whine cause of the middle shaft and bearings. Clutch. If there was anything wrong in there then you would have known about it long before now. Front axle, ain't locked in so that ain't it. And rear axle is too far back to do it. That leaves only the tranny, and transfercase.
    Is this in 3rd gear? Is is quieter in 3rd? If so, then the problem is with the tranny. Probably a worn gear, or really bad bearing. Rebuilt?? Maybe assembled wrong? Transfercase could do it, but it is doubtful.
    Engine? Not bloody likely, Or it would make noise at idle.
    Other than that, I have not a clue!

    -Hill
     
  3. Mar 30, 2005
    181jeep

    181jeep Banned

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    I'll bet a 12 pack that the tranny or transfercase is touching the tub. Or one of the three sticks is rubbing the tub.

    JB
     
  4. Mar 31, 2005
    Posimoto

    Posimoto Hopeless JEEP Addict

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    I'm with you. Seems like if it were a bearing in the tranny, it would make noise on compression also. Same with the T case.
     
  5. Mar 31, 2005
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Yep, could be something touching the tub since the driveline twists up under load. Did you replace the torque stud/bushings to keep the tranny/tcase from twisting? How good is your tranny mount? Is it tight?

    Did you replace the intermediate shaft/rollers in the tcase when you did the rebuild? It will growl under load when it is worn... but it will still be noisy when coasting too...
     
  6. Mar 31, 2005
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    Tracking down noises can make you nuts! Everyone's mentioned all I can think of. Can you list all that was done/replaced in the tranny/t-case rebuilds?
     
  7. Mar 31, 2005
    blevisay

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    I wont take that bet.........that was my first thought also......Animal does that also..


    The parking brake drum hits the tub
     
  8. Mar 31, 2005
    AKCJ

    AKCJ Active Member

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    Could be body touching the drivetrain. If you let off the gas and the noise goes away maybe you should check the motor mounts?

    This same symptom (noise stops when letting off the gas) could also be a drivetrain problem. I was recently bitten by a worn out dana 18 transfer case intermediate shaft so would suggest you pull the t-case pan and check it out. Everyone says it'll be real noisey but the whole rig is noisey!
     
  9. Mar 31, 2005
    60CJ5

    60CJ5 Member

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    I have a rattle of tailpile to frame at times. To be fixed real soon. Same type of sound - took me forever to figure it out.
     
  10. Mar 31, 2005
    kelly

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    New motor mounts, new T-case mounts,the E-brake drum has been removed (for rebuilding), new body mounts. The tranny and T-case were rebuilt by a good 4x4 shop, and the noise is the same as before the rebuild.Can't see them missing anythingor leaving anything out, but I guess it's possible.($850 rebuild,I saw the parts they replaced) This one's driving me crazy(and stopping me from driving!)
     
  11. Mar 31, 2005
    blevisay

    blevisay Oh Noooooooooooooooo! Staff Member

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    I'll offer up one more


    rear wheel bearigs?
     
  12. Mar 31, 2005
    wheelie

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    Doubtful this would result in your symptoms but, driveshaft out of phase?????
     
  13. Mar 31, 2005
    kelly

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    The front driveshaft was bent,but replaced after the rebuild,didn't help. Thanks for input anyway
     
  14. Apr 1, 2005
    Glenn

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    Assuming everything is mechanically fine, how about other things like muffler coming apart inside? Something on the engine loose, generator mount, oil filter mount, something vibrating?
     
  15. Apr 1, 2005
    H8PAVMNT

    H8PAVMNT Rub his head for luck

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    Did someone mention the anti-torque(ie) cable thingey? Someone had pics.

    A little help over here with the F4 stuff. I don't know these exotic slow moving creatures.
     
  16. Apr 1, 2005
    John A. Shows

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    Have you checked to make sure that there's not a blender under there with gravel in it?
     
  17. Apr 1, 2005
    H8PAVMNT

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    I gotta tell ya the way you describe it, it sounds like an intermediate gear/shaft. There were some real bad int. shafts on the market.
     
  18. Apr 1, 2005
    H8PAVMNT

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    Kelly, from what you have told me in the PM's I'm sure I'm wrong. I would refer you to nickmil for further advice. Keep the discussion here so others may benefit.
     
  19. Apr 1, 2005
    maxx

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    Is it a single stick transfer case? If so, sometimes the shifter has to be adjusted so it wont "rub the tub" to coin a phrase. Another thought is rear pinion bearing. If it makes noise on accel. but not on coast. Just a couple idears.
     
  20. Apr 1, 2005
    kelly

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    It's a twin lever t-case, Im sure the levers are'nt hitting the tub.But you gave me an Idea, could it be the front Diff. If I took the front driveshaft off and drove it to see if the noise was still there? Would removing the front driveshaft do any harm if driven?
     
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