1956 Cj6 Vin Help

Bought a CJ6 with no title, vin tag(anywhere), registration nor lic plate. Wreckingvyard acquaintance and CHP were lime thats not a big deal with Jeeps.
Before I bought I found the frame stamp 11165 so figured it was a 1956.
At my CHP inspection he determined it was a 56. He belives it should be 12 digits 57748?? 11165. He said I can give you a # now but if we can determine the 2 middle numbers which we understand is associated with drive and eng( pertaining to fuel evap/emissions) you can get the correct VIN number. He is very helpful and working with me. Im now under the impression it(vin) really is only 10 digits and the chart being used is associated for 62 and up. I will likely use responses here in my communication with him
He did say the (missing) driver side firewall tag is the just a manufacturer tag but the vin would have 12 digits.
As I understand it there were no emission or fuel evap componets then and not until the 60s(?).
Can anyone chime in, preferrably folks who have that era and know how many digits.
Thanks Paul

 

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I have a 56 cj6. Ser# 10044
I think 56 was the 1st year for the cj6, so I've got the 44th one.

 

3b a runnin, How many numbers are on your paper title(vin or serial number)? Thanks. That other link isnt that helpful. Been through it before pertains more to later cjs besides wouldnt bear much weight with the CHP. Hoping for a technical reference of some sort. Something that specifically states how many numbers should be on the title in the vin section. I have 2 older cj manuals on my way which may address the lack of fuel evap system and emissions. That will help but if its supposed to be a 10 digit number then there are no missing numbers, something CHP will need address

 

I am no expert but (57748 11165) sounds like your vin. Ten numbers. I have a 56 and its ten numbers

 

10 digits total. 57748 10044 is the total, and iirc it shows it as a ser# instead of a VIN

 

Thanks. Plan to refer to this and have a couple he can look up on his data base to confirm. Will post results.

 

Early Jeep "VIN" can be either be 10, 11, or 13 characters, depending on year. 10 digit VINs consist of Chassis Code, Body Style, Body Style / Special Model Code, and a 5 digit sequential serial number. 11 digit VINs consist of Chassis Code, Body Style, Body Style / Special Model Code, and a 6 digit sequential serial number. 13 digit VINs consist of Chassis Code, Body Style, Body Style / Special Model Code, Drive Code, Engine Code and a 6 digit sequential serial number.

I don't have 1956 documentation, but what I have for 1959 is showing a 10 digit "VIN", 5 digit prefix followed by 5 digits of sequential serial number. Since you have a 5 digit sequential serial number, I think your "VIN" for your Jeep should be 57748 11165.

Where is he getting his information as to number of characters and year based on serial number? Can they look up another 1956 CJ6 in their system and determine your "VIN" format from that?

 

1956 CJ-6 57748
Start 10001 End 12224 Total Production 2,224


Your number fits in as a 56. 10 digits is correct for 1956.

This link might help.

Willys-Overland Production Figures on CJ3B.info

 

Thanks, I knew I had seen that somewhere

 

I have seen several sites referring to what VIN should be based on the frame stamp. Assuming the CHP had more info that is supposed be in the title.... I am definitely at their mercy, considering I have no VIN tags or title at all.
So this is where I'm at...
I stopped by CHP to present some info(didn't want anything) . He told me he spoke to someone who set him straight and said "there is no way to determine what it's vin should be" still holding onto the idea it has more than 10 digits but he agrees it should have the frame stamp #'s at the end of it.
So...I have an appt on my birthday to get a tag riveted on it with at least 11165 stamped on it. He asked where I want it riveted suggesting above where the original tag was located on the firewall.
Can't fight the authorities lol. Considering it will never be worth more than what I plan to put in it I should just give it up and enjoy it as it is and what it will eventually be. End of matter. Hopefully it gets a Willys CJ6 ID.

 

You can order a reproduction tag to go where the old one was removed. CJ6 – Dataplates4U
They stamp it like original. Originals had screws.

Use what he gives you for title and use the other because you believe it to be the real vin. Making you feel good is the key to happiness.

 

Just emailed the dataplates fellow earlier today.
They are now stainless not quite original metal. Id imagine making impressions in aluminum was a tempermental procedure and if not using proper type of aluminum plate may be creating problems where letters raised through material. Difficult process.
Anyone order the new stainless tags? $145 plus shipping.
Like the idea of it being more solid but also prefer some originality to the old style.
It was hard to find specific page in that 1956 to 61? only had 10 digits...but the owners know best.
***The good news is I now have a 10 digit # on an authorized CA state vin plate as good as I could hope for short of original plate miraculously showing up. My birthday may have been a factor, good choice on scheduling the appt?
Now the fun begins... spending money and time on it. I already have seats, better roll bar, tailgate(was missing) funky old rear view mirror and maybe a pto winch(have to research what it is).
So I want a catalog from parts dealers.
No luck getting one from KaiserWillys yet... been 3 weeks.
Midwest Jeep hasnt returned my email.
Morris4x4 only has an online and my CatS40 won't navigate their system.
Is there one closer to home in CA.
Likely needs alot.
Also any referrals to reccomended threads on restores would be appreciated.
Paul

 

is the VIN tag a must have in your location? i dont know anything about what your end goal is restoration, trail beater, ETC, but 145 bucks for a vin tag is a lot of jingle for a little tag with some numbers stamped in it.

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for 15 bucks you could just make one up yourself. make a jig to hold the number dies, and a BFH to hit them.

 

A VIN plate is a must for on the road. Getting 'weight' determined today, title and non-op registration soon after.

As already stated I now have a legal tag (made and installed with funny rivets by the CHP) so one I make my self would serve no purpose.

A replica of the original would just for aesthetics, an expensive one I might add. Curious if anyone bought one.
I am curious if the only location for an original Willys VIN tag was the driver side firewall. Some websites state other location possibilities but I havent run across any photos other than the firewall location.

 

Welcome from Michigan, I used the funny rivets on mine after I painted the firewall, then found out Willys used Phillips Screws to mount the Vin Plates. Now I ask here first, just saying, Good Luck.

 

I think DATAPLATES4U has a great product. I have purchased other items but not a VIN tag. Quality was excellent. I think if you like it, get it. Install it after you finish your firewall paint.

Firewall in front of the driver is correct for a CJ5. There should be holes in the firewall there.

I'm wondering if the tag should be this style since it is a 56.