Jesters '69 C17

.060 oversize is readily available and the price is 470 bucks complete.
http://www.northernautoparts.com/ProductDetail.cfm?ProductId=3021

 

I'm not really a fan of Ford motors but the dist placement does make sense like the Buick 225, 231s. and AMC V8s. Chevy/GM motors are just easier to find parts for out in the hinterlands.

 

I'm not going to argue, a friend had a police intercepter 390 in his '59 Ranchero and it took us two afternoons after work to figure out it was just the wire between the dist and coil. Silly us. It could have the same problem on a GM motor but at least the dist is on the front of the motor so you aren't laying on top of the entire thing to check things out.
I have never owned a Ford.

 

I'm not affraid of going .060 over, he just didn't sound very optimistic about it cleaning up. We shall see.

I will NOT put a Chevy in my Jeep., even if it was free. For me it has nothing to do with the fact that it's a Chevy, I'm just tired of everybody just grabbing the Bowtie cookie cutter. Be different.




And next time I to south, Patric gets poop in his yard.

 

289/302 Ford fits just fine in a CJ5/6. And yes, a T18 will bolt right into them. 351 probably fits fine as well, just a little taller deck height.

Chevy swaps are more common, just because the aftermarket is so large for them, *and* on later motors, the GM Fuel Injection just lends itself better to being messed with, by design, and it's easier to wire. And honestly, a small block chevy is just a darn good motor. I'll argue to death anybody that says they're *better* than a small block Ford, but they're good engines nonetheless.

Dimensionally, a 289/302 is smaller, and weighs less than a 305/350 Chevy, and the front distributor does make fitting things easier. You just need the short water pump.

IIRC I think it was BKD that had a real nice CJ-6 with a 302 in it, all injected and everything.

 

I've driven about every Jeep out there from L heads to race prepped SBCs. really, my favorite motor is the V6 so my vote is to rebuild the thing.

 

I REEEEEEEAAAAAAALLLY want to keep the V6. Not only is it the original engine to the Jeep, I have never owned a Jeep with one. I am curious to see how they wheel. Not only from a power standpoint but also how the weight distribution is. To me they seem like they would be the perfect engine for a light weight Jeep.

This has crossed my mind.

 

A friend showed up with an AMC era CJ5 with the 304 in it. I took it for a spin around the block and to me, my Commando with the 225 seemed to have about the same amount of power. This is all subjective as no numbers were ever taken and we never did a drag race or anything like that.

 

60 over should be fine for a conventional gray iron block, like this one. If you want to go 60 over, have the shop sonic test before boring oversized. This will check that you have a block where the water passages are well aligned with the bores, and that there is plenty of material to remove.

Also, if you have one bad hole, it can be sleeved. Actually you can sleeve all of them back to factory size if you want, but the cost is usually prohibitive. Fixing one bad cylinder should be affordable.

Going from 40 to 60 is no more expensive than going from 0 to 30. If the block is ok with 60, I don't see the current 40-over as any deterant to going the next step oversized. BTW the 231 pistons are 50 over from the 225. 20-over and 30-over are stocking sizes for 231 pistons, so 70 or 80 over is possible without custom pistons - if the block will allow it

JMO - as long as the block does not need anything heroic, I would go with the 225. It's pretty easy to mate the Ford T-18 to a BOP bell, if that's what you are thinking of. If you are thinking of a Jeep T-18, the Ford, BOP and Chevy bells all will need modification. Novak has an article about Bop or CHevy to Ford - no extensive machining required.

 

I fell in love with the interia of the 225 coupled with the heavy flywheel.
Despite having driven newer 4x4s and owning a newer 4x4 with way more power, I always come home to the 225 in my CJ.
I would keep it.

 

I have had an Fhead in a 2a, a 304 in a cj5 and this 225 in my present 2a. Its my favorite engine. good power to weight, short, distributor in the front. I have seen all the stupid things people do to make the rear distributor of a chevy fit in a jeep. I have often wondered why the ford engines are not more prevalent for this reason.

 

A lot of it has to do with bad anecdotal beliefs of people, that Fords are complicated. They're really not. They just don't share the same commonality of parts that the Small Block Chevy does. Across the line, for V8's, you've got six different engine families (Windsor, Cleveland, FE, 385-Series, Y-Block, and Flathead (And the MEL engines, but yeah, lets leave that one alone.)), and none of the engine parts will interchange between engine families, and even, frankly, within families, in a lot of ways (e.g. The Intake off of a 351Windsor won't bolt up to a 302Windsor). Adding to the complication, you've got a couple different bellhousing patterns (4, I *think*, and I'm a Ford guy, and I'm not even fully certain of that.)

The engines most Jeepers would be interested in, would be the Windsor Family (289, 302, and 351), and for much of history, the parts just weren't as cheap as a Small Block Chevy, but with the advent of the Fox Body (5.0) Mustangs, Parts for a Windsor are generally on par with the classic SBC, and you get a few small "advantages" for certain applications, like the somewhat smaller dimensional engine, shorter package with the short water pump, Lighter Weight and the distributor being on the front of the engine.

Now, things on newer engines, it's a bit caddy wampus again. I don't think there's any way in hell you could get a 4.6/5.4 Modular, or 5.0 Coyote/6.2 into the engine bay of a CJ, because *man* are those things friggin wide up top, with the overhead cam setup. There's just nothing out there that really compares to the aftermarket support, and relative ease of wiring for the GM LS series of v8's.

 

All I can say is I know more about diesels in Ford trucks than I know about the gas engines. I do know a bit more about SBCs and Volvo motors.

 

Thank you for explaining this to me in a clear way. I have never worked on Ford engines and know next to nothing about them. I personally have never owned one, save an escort that was my first car. It was a great car. Required nothing but tires and oil changes.

 

Ok, what are you refering to when you say BOP? Sorry, I'm slow and can't figure it out.