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Differential pin is stripped

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by H2Ohs, Jan 4, 2015.

  1. H2Ohs

    H2Ohs New Member

    Hi All,
    Trying to replace the axle seals and have it mostly apart. I found that the little screw that holds the big pin within the spider gears is stripped. It actually looks like someone attempted to drill it out because there is nothing to grab. So the question is- can I just drill that out? If so, how would I replace it? Options? The axle is out from under the jeep so that makes it a little easier to mess with...
    57 cj5
    Thx!
     
  2. sawilly

    sawilly Member

    It probably is a roll pin . It just requires it to be pounded out .
     
  3. rusty

    rusty Well-Known Member

    x2, roll pin.
     
  4. 47v6

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    I know that dana 30's use a roll pin.
     
  5. H2Ohs

    H2Ohs New Member

    Here's a pic of the little thing. It's the rear by the way- sorry about that. The video i reviewed showed that pin needed to be removed in order to slide out the bigger pin and remove the diff. But it also showed it being unscrewed, not pounded out. But who knows- it was an later jeep video anyway.
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  6. H2Ohs

    H2Ohs New Member

    Some additional searching and i found the below.. I guess i need to find something to hit it harder with- should just slide out?
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  7. 47v6

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    use a long pin punch that is the slightly smaller size diameter as the roll pin, or if you can find it a roll pin punch. those have a tit on the end that fits into the recess in the center of the punch.
     
  8. djbutler

    djbutler Sponsor

    Wait a minute here...
    Is this a Dana 25 axle? Your signature shows your Jeep as a '57, so it should be a Dana 25 axle if it's original.
    As far as I know, D25 axles don't have C-clips retaining the axle shafts so why do you need to remove the spider gear pin? Just pull the axle shafts out then you can remove the entire differential case intact.

    Don
     
  9. 47v6

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    The make and model axle you are working on will get you a precise response on how to fix your problem. Not all Jeeps have the original axles, so figure out your model. Take some pics and post them if you're unsure. The guys here will identify it for sure.
     
  10. H2Ohs

    H2Ohs New Member

    Ya, it's the rear axle and has a big 44 stamped on the short axle side. I think it's original.
     
  11. nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

    Very early 44's had a solid tapered pin that was an interference fit. Later ones used a roll pin. It's common to "swage" the edges of the hole so the pin can't walk out.
    The Dana 44 does not require the pinion shaft to be removed to get the axles out. In fact, if you look at the shaft it will most likely hit the ring gear before it comes out.
     
  12. H2Ohs

    H2Ohs New Member

    Ha, ya- my first picture even shows it. geesh. So is it just the big axle nuts at the end and it'll slide right out? (I removed them but they didn't seem to move..)
     
  13. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Not that simple at all, that's the first step. I assumed you were probably disassembling the whole axle to check everything. Next you need a big puller to remove the hub and drum assembly. Next is removing the backing plate/bearing retainer.
     
  14. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

  15. 47v6

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    When you get the special puller for the hub, make sure you leave on the nut and washer a couple turns. When the hub lets loose it can come off with a lot of force and break whatever is in front of it, or it can come off nice and easy. I have seen it both ways.
     
  16. H2Ohs

    H2Ohs New Member

    Ok- It's making more sense. Thanks for links and advice. I'll give it a shot and take pics along the way for other visual people like myself. :)
     
  17. H2Ohs

    H2Ohs New Member

    Ok- more progress. After multiple trips to try to find/rent a the correct hub puller- I simply used a gear puller. I know I was advised against it, but nothing seemed to bend and they popped right off. Removed the backing plates, etc. and was left looking at the axle. One side I managed to get out, the other side is stuck. The side I got out was very rusty. Axle is quite rusty and rust around the seal too. Is this typical? Doesn't oil go all the way out to the outer seal and bathe the axle or no? See picture below.
    Questions-
    Other stuck side, slide hammer the best option?
    I'm this far- is there anything I should bother with on the inside?
    All of the things labeled in my pic simply get replaced- nothing is pressed?
    Any other advice?
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  18. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    You labeled the bearing and cone correctly, the bearing is pressed on. You have a good handle on it, just clean up the inside of the axle housing reasonably well. You got lucky on the puller, the hub should have been harder to get off.
     
  19. Howard Eisenhauer

    Howard Eisenhauer Administrator Staff Member

    No, it shouldn't be rusty, you had water in your differential at some point. Do a search here for "dana 44 axle vent".

    Once cleaned up check the section inside of the bearing stop ridge carefully- that's polished up for the seal that keeps the differential lube out of the bearings. If it's pitted/worn install a "Speedy Sleeve"

    H.
     
  20. H2Ohs

    H2Ohs New Member

    Too funny. Thanks for the vent info. I went and checked mine and it was clogged full of gunk. Can't wait to see what the axle looks like when I finally get it out.