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Another rear light question

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by H2Ohs, May 30, 2014.

  1. May 30, 2014
    H2Ohs

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    Hi all- working on the rear lights of a 57. When I wired up the right side- it seems the brake filament is lighting rather than the dim one for parking light -on right side only. left side is fine- turn signals fine on both sides too. Is there an easy reason for this or do I need to get back in there with the test light.
    Thx!
     
  2. May 30, 2014
    PeteL

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    Perhaps a bad ground which causes current to back-feed through the wrong filament.
     
  3. May 30, 2014
    Rondog

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    Sounds like you have the two filament wires swapped. Needs more tinkering.
     
  4. May 30, 2014
    PeteL

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    Yes but he said the turn signal is fine.
     
  5. May 30, 2014
    Rondog

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    Hmmm, complications.....
     
  6. May 30, 2014
    57Willys

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    X2- that is what was wrong with mine....
     
  7. Jun 1, 2014
    Bill67cj5

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    R u working with original fixtures or after market? I had same issue but with aftermarket fixtures. The 1157 bulbs were not seating correctly in the socket. After a whole day trying to figure out what was up I took off the lenses to check the bulbs. Removed them and then reinserted until I heard an audible click for both the top and bottom contacts. Sure enough that was the issue.
     
  8. Jun 2, 2014
    H2Ohs

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    Thanks- I'm not sure. At this point- I can't tell whats original and what's not. Lol But did make progress. I now have signals working and parking lights working on both sides. Left side brake light works but only thing not working is the right side brake light.
    Heres my logic- three wires from main harness- two are signals (all working) and the other last one is for parking/brakes. Left side is fine and I spliced it and ran a new wire to black wire of right side. (Reds are all directionals going into light). So either right side bulb is messed or contacts mentioned above by Bill67. What else could it be?
    btw- it did run today after a new coil! So we are getting close. :)
     
  9. Jun 2, 2014
    army grunt

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    take a look-see at the connection on the brake sw,be sure theirs a good clean connection their,the brake light sw gets its power from a different soarse than the signal light.
     
  10. Jun 2, 2014
    PeteL

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    "and the other last one is for parking/brakes."

    Errr...no. Brake light and parking light are two different circuits.

    Brake and turn both use the same "bright" filament in the bulb and can share a wire. Parking are the "dim" filaments, need their own separate wire.

    But the parking circuit can be one wire that feeds both left and right sides. Turn/brake circuit needs two wires, one left, one right.

    Sketch it out on a piece of paper and it will make sense.

    If your wiring and bulbs are correct then the issue may be in the turn signal switch, which is where the brake and turn functions are differentiated.
     
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  11. Jun 2, 2014
    H2Ohs

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    Shoot- you know, I didn't even think it could work that way. I figured my test light was "always on" when the parking lights were on- it had to be the same wire that some how magically boosted the power to make it brighter for brakes. Kind of makes sense to me. lol. It's an easy swap when I get home. Thanks so much!

     
  12. Jun 2, 2014
    H2Ohs

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    After more test light poking- it seems it could be the turn signal switch.
    3 wires in the back and
    Wire #1- left light has left directional AND stop
    wire #2- right light has right directional signal NO stop
    wire #3- parking lights- fine
    so I think wire #2 is not getting stop signal from the turn switch.
     
  13. Jun 3, 2014
    Walt Couch

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    Use test light to see if you are getting stop power out of the turn signal switch to the phenolic (bakalite?) plug-in for the right stop circuit. May have bad connection at this plug assy. If no power out of T-sig switch then it's time to repair switch.
     
  14. Jun 3, 2014
    PeteL

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    The switch can be dismantled and cleaned up if you are careful... very careful!
     
  15. Jun 3, 2014
    H2Ohs

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    Issue at hand is no right brake light.
    I took the turn signal apart, it looked pretty clean inside. 7 wire Signalstat 900. Here is the layout:
    0. ->Yellow (Not worrying about this one)
    00 00. -> Gray green(left). Red black(right)
    0. ->. Gray w black stripe ( not worrying about this one)
    1-only brakes on- outside gray and black contacts light up ( this is good I think but right brake light not lighting up)
    2-only parking lights on- green only contact on ( this must be ok since all parking lights are working)
    3-brakes on with left turn signal on- gray, green, yellow flash And black constant on. ( right brake light not lighting up)
    4-brakes on with right turn signal on- black, red yellow flash And gray on constant (this all works in the back - right directional flashing and left brake on so must be fine)

    So I think the Ol Signalstat is working OK. When I look at the wiring diagram- it goes from Signalstat straight to the back lights. Got to be a bad black wire to that back right light. Yes?
     
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    Walt Couch

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    H2Ohs

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    Success! New wire did the trick. Thanks for the help!
     
  18. Jun 5, 2014
    Walt Couch

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    Glad you got it.
     
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