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Leaning tower of Jeep....

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Old Bill, Dec 13, 2004.

  1. Dec 13, 2004
    Old Bill

    Old Bill Aggressively passive....

    Really Southern...
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    Hey All,

    OK, so I made an error...I did not swap the springs side to side like I had
    intended. The reason I wanted to was to help the leaning to the drivers'
    side. It's pretty obvious now that I've got a few miles on it. :(

    So now here are my options....

    A) Swap all springs side to side
    2) Swap just the fronts or rear springs side to side
    III) Replace just the driver's side springs
    d) Replace all springs


    And here are the questions...

    1) Which option is best? Please keep in mind you're spending money I ain't
    got.
    II) If I just swap the existing springs side to side, do you think it will
    lean the other way too much? I'm thinking that the driver's has the most
    sag, and swapping will "even" this out after a while.
    C) If I only swap just the front or rear springs, which set should I swap?
    I'm thinking rear due to it having more leafs. The thinking here is that
    the "sagging" springs will be in opposite corners, thus cancelling each
    other out, but am also wondering if frame twist will come to play.
    4) Will I gain a whole lot more than a level ride by replacing all the
    springs? I mean other than an extra inch or two of lift. It's an old Jeep,
    and I'm resigned to the fact that it just ain't gonna drive like a new car.

    TIA
     
  2. Dec 13, 2004
    timgr

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    How much lean do you have? If it's, say, an inch or so, I'd just live with it. Even brand new CJs leaned. The problem was bad enough that AMC made a kit to correct lean that was a steel block and locating pin extension that went between the spring and the axle. This lowered the high side.

    New springs should ride level, at least for a while. If they don't you could send them back. I'd think you could rig a bathroom scale to weigh each wheel and see if there's actually more weight on one wheel than another. If there's not, then the lean will follow the weaker springs.
     
  3. Dec 13, 2004
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

    Huntingdon PA
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    When you buy a new spring kit for a CJ, they usually include a statement to this effect:

    "If your Jeep leaned to one side or the other with your old springs, the new springs in this kit will NOT correct the lean. "

    When I installed my Skyjacker 2.5" lift springs, such a statement was part of the instruction packet.
    In fact I did find a 3/4" block between a rear leaf pack and the perch. Didn't know what it was at the time, didn't reinstall it. Yeah, I've got some lean, doesn't bother me, I have bigger issues ;)
     
  4. Dec 13, 2004
    timgr

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    Well, although it's good that Lynn points out the spring kit disclaimer, I think it's more CYA than fact. Some Jeeps did come from the factory level. Both of mine did.

    It's simple physics - weigh each wheel, look at the spring rate (spring constant) and that's how much each spring should compress. There is some weight transfer due to the lean, but that can only get better by evening out the spring rates with new springs.
     
  5. Dec 13, 2004
    Big Burro

    Big Burro New Member

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    I've got a brand new lift on mine. Can't be more than a year old and it has ALWAYS leaned to the driver's side when I'm in it. I can stand on one side or the other and straighten it out but once I get in and go ever a few bumps, it leans. I was actually thinking of putting dry lube on the springs thinking that they were just "sticking" but I doubt that would help.
     
  6. Dec 13, 2004
    vanguard

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    I went through this when I replaced my springs. Betsy leaned before the new springs and after. I did swap them side to side without effect. Finally had one side rearched to compensate and this helped, but did not completely eliminate the lean.
     
  7. Dec 13, 2004
    javracer

    javracer Land Locked Bubblehead

    Northwest Arkansas
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    I have a question about the lean, If you take a tape measure from the end of each side of the rear bumper are they the same on both sides? My problem is that Lil' Ug which has been renamed by my coworkers as "Ilean" the body mount has rusted a little and sagged on the drivers side. I have to get some time and lift the tub and put a piece of angle iron under it to shore it up. The PO also trashed the rear crossmember for a 5/16" thick steel bumper with no body mount provisions on the back. My rear bumper ends are within a 1/2" of each other but, the body leans 2 inched down on the drivers side. :shock:

    This kinda sucks, the fuel pickup is uphill and I can only get about 7.5 gallons in the tank. With a 383 V8 Chevy and 4.56 gears it will pass everything off the stoplight except gas station. :shock:
     
  8. Dec 13, 2004
    Hippo393

    Hippo393 Jeepless

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    My 'tux had the gangsta lean to the driver's side. Replaced left rear spring: still some lean. Replaced left front: no more lean. So I vote for replacing the 2 on the offending (leaning) side. :)
     
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