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static timing for 225 equiped with HEI

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by jeep67, Mar 31, 2012.

  1. Mar 31, 2012
    jeep67

    jeep67 Member

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    I did a search on here and couldn't locate info on what the static timing is for a 225 with a GM HEI dist. I finally got around to replacing the timing chain (no more clack clack clack noise!!!) and I set the timing based on sound. I then checked the timing and it is at 6 degrees BTDC. Does this sound reasonable to you? I have heard or read that 10 to 12 degrees BTDC is the correct setting. My plan is to run it and if it starts to ping, I'll retard the timing a bit.

    One other thing, in the process of taking the timing cover off, I got some water in the crank case. Not much, but enough to make the oil froth. I am in the process of changing the oil and was wondering how others have delt with water contamination in their crank case. Do I simply change the oil a few times after short periods of operation, or add some kind of wiz-bang additive?

    For those who are interested, I replaced the stock-style (this one had solid steel gears since I replaced it about 10 years ago) timing chain, which had only about 15k miles on it, with a double roller type. No more noise, but I must admit, I wasn't a fan of the amount of slack already in the double-roller chain; and with no more tensioner, I hope it doesn't stretch any.
     
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  2. Mar 31, 2012
    nickmil

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    Typically a couple oil changes will take care of the water in the oil. This is a common issue when doing engine work. 1 qut of ATF during the oil change will help flush out the contaminants as well.
    I hope you mean timing chain as these engines don't have a timing belt.
    You should have little to no slack in the timing chain unless it was designed to work with the tensioner.
    A 231 typically runs 10-12* initial timing. I'd play with it a bit and see what works. You may need to recurve the advance to get full benefit of the HEI.


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  3. Mar 31, 2012
    Warloch

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    I am running @ 12* and have recurved my HEI to fit the motor. You will need to make sure to open the plugs up (40 - 45) or run something like an E3 (that is what I run).
     
  4. Mar 31, 2012
    jeep67

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    O.k. so it sounds like I should go with the timing set to 10-12 degrees BTDC. I'll go ahead and make the change now. Thanks for the feedback.
     
  5. Mar 31, 2012
    Walt Couch

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    I am running @6* initial and +/- 32* total crank degrees at about 2,000 rpm. I may have to up that initial as my engine runs too cool.
     
  6. Apr 1, 2012
    noahlon

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    15 degrees advance, .045 gap on plugs. 180 degree thermostat. Runs great, lots of power, no ping.
     
  7. Apr 2, 2012
    Posimoto

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    Be sure to check your timing at 2500+ rpms for total timing advance. I had to switch to an adjustable vacumn advance as i had close to 50* timing at 2800 with initial timing set at 10*.
     
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  8. Apr 2, 2012
    Walt Couch

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    That is correct. The HEI original vacuum advance is way too much for the 225 and an adjustable advance is required if you are unable to fabricate a blocking plate to control the amount of vacuum control arm travel. The adjustable ones are not expensive and work very good.
     
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