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What The Echlin Is Going On?

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by 46ODDFIRE, Sep 13, 2018.

  1. 46ODDFIRE

    46ODDFIRE Member

    If I am a mediocre mechanic (and I am), I am an awful automotive electrician.

    My question is: How do I check to make sure my voltage regular is wired correctly?

    The backstory: My Jeep doesn't seem to recharge the battery, or maybe it does, but not very well. I've worried about other things until now, because my trips have all short enough that this hasn't been a pressing issue.

    I suspect the wiring to the voltage regulator because two of the wires were disconnected when I got the Jeep. My uncle connected them and, when the Jeep started, said: "That must be right!"

    Note that the yellow wire in the photo is grounding something, and the top connector tab you see in the photo (just in front of the yellow wire) is unused at this time (?).

    The Jeep is a CJ2A, but I am posting here because it has an 225 V6.

    Thanks, wise ones.

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    Last edited: Sep 13, 2018
  2. jeepstar

    jeepstar Well-Known Member 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    use an Ohm meter. touch wires while its running.
     
  3. Howard Eisenhauer

    Howard Eisenhauer Administrator Staff Member

    First off- what kind of alternator are you running? Got a pic of the connections to it?
     
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  4. Walt Couch

    Walt Couch sidehill Cordele, Ga. 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    How do you know that is the correct reg? We need more info and pic for sure. What alternator (part number) (picture) etc and a (Howard beat me to it)
     
  5. 46ODDFIRE

    46ODDFIRE Member

    Not to reveal all of my ignorance, but what am I looking for? I presume that one wire is incoming (from the coil?) and should have a given voltage reading? And another should be outgoing (to the alternator?) with a given (12 volts?) reading?
    One thing I should have noted above: The yellow wire is a ground to something, and the top connector tab you see in the photo is unused at this time (?) .
     
  6. Focker

    Focker That's a terrible idea...What time? Staff Member

  7. 46ODDFIRE

    46ODDFIRE Member

    I hope these are useful. If not, I can try to do a better job at lunch.
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  8. Keys5a

    Keys5a Sponsor

    What you need to know is the type of alternator. Some are internally regulated and some are not. You may not need any of those "extra" wires connected. Answer the previous question regarding what you have so we can give you some direction. We can't help until we know what you have. Those wires you're worried about might not be needed.
    -Donny
     
  9. 46ODDFIRE

    46ODDFIRE Member

    I don't know if it's the "correct" regulator, but the regulator, alternator and coil have all been in there since the '70s or '80s. So I hope to start by just figuring out whether the wires are even connected to the right tabs. There are six possible combinations, if I count correctly.
    One question: Will I damage anything by trying all six combinations?
     
  10. Keys5a

    Keys5a Sponsor

    You definitely could fry something. You need to identify your components and once known, find the correct wiring of the components. Its very possible the couple wires that were disconnected when you got your Jeep were left disconnected for a reason. I've installed internally regulated alternators and left the old external regulator just for a place to terminate the wires. Yes, some wires are left disconnected when you do this.
    You need to know what alternator you have in your Jeep before anyone can give specific direction. Playing with the wires when you don't know what they do is playing roulette with your wiring. Diodes in the alternator are will almost certainly become victim to trial and error wiring.
    -Donny
     
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  11. OzFin

    OzFin Vintage Jeep Guy

    Looks like some kind of a Delco alternator from here.
    Take a look here
    Catalog
    for some info, this should help to identify if it is a "SI"version or the older version with the external regulator.
     
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  12. Walt Couch

    Walt Couch sidehill Cordele, Ga. 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

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    This may be what you have (the one on the right.) which shows the regulator terminals (2 on right) going to the indicator light. So the terminal on the left (reg) goes to the field terminal on the alternator (right spade) looking at the back. Make sure the regulator is well grounded.
     
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  13. 70cj5134f

    70cj5134f Member

    Put a GM 1 wire alt on it and forget it.
    Inexpensive, reliable, and built in regulator!
    All my classic cars, trucks,and jeep have this, even put one on the farm tractor,
    When they wanted 300$ for a stock one?
     
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