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VW 1.9 TD engine and saginaw steering in a Cj3b

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by Xavi_4Wheeler, Jan 14, 2009.

  1. DanStew

    DanStew Preowned Merkin salesman Staff Member

    I would love to have a bunch :) I think shipping would be killer, but i would love to do a perkins in the flatty. I'll trade you an L head setup :)
     
  2. Xavi_4Wheeler

    Xavi_4Wheeler Diesel like a tractor

    maybe if the shipment is by boat the price would be low...
     
  3. blevisay

    blevisay Oh Noooooooooooooooo! Staff Member

    Containers are cheap.........I'll take a TDI as well:)
     
  4. Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

    LOL - I can see it now - the great early cj5 container exchange - we send parts hard for them to get - they do the same for us :)
     
  5. mb82

    mb82 I feel great!

    What shipping line do you want? Dad still has his contacts.


    Edit: so I just talked to Dad about this, yes it can be done.
     
    Last edited: Jan 19, 2009
  6. Xavi_4Wheeler

    Xavi_4Wheeler Diesel like a tractor

    I'm still looking for a VW 1.9 TD donor , I have found various TDI but they're difficult to adapt because have electronics. I have been talking with an electrician mechanic who can adapt me a VW TDI, but man, he has said me that the price for adapt the wires&sensors of this engine to the Jeep is 1500-1800 euros !!! very expensive... so I'm still looking for an old school 1.9 TD in good condition and at correct price.

    The TDI can be electronically uprated up to 180-200 HP easily, but I don't need this power. The 1.9 td can be mechanically uprated to ~115HP (enough power for what I need) and without any electronics that one day break up in the middle of the mountain.
     
  7. eddiem

    eddiem New Member

    hows the project going ???
     
  8. pathkiller

    pathkiller Member

  9. fletcher0780

    fletcher0780 Member

    You could always use a TDI engine with the mechanical injector pump (MTDI) that way you don't need to deal with the electronics and computer.
     
  10. duffer

    duffer Rodent Power

    RE: the manual Saginaw swap. As far as mounting the sector box, they will be no different than a power unit and the same amount of work. There is a lot of good material both on this web site and others for this conversion. The only thing additional for power is the pump and hoses. Most (or perhaps all) of the manual Saginaw boxes use a smaller diameter pitman shaft which could cause problems if you are looking for a dropped pitman arm sometime in the future. After using a number of Jeeps both ways, I strongly recommend the power, especially if you intend to do much off road. You will derive a lot of benefit for very little additional work.
     
  11. Xavi_4Wheeler

    Xavi_4Wheeler Diesel like a tractor

    Hello and thanks you all for your interest and suggestions.

    I finally found the engine I wanted, the 1.9TD AAZ with few miles, in perfect condition, all the whole complete and the best is the price: only € 300!! The donor was a bumpy Seat Cordoba; I've also used the donor to get the rear calipers to install rear discs on my jeep.

    I spent many months looking for this engine. For reliability and easily always I have rejected the TDI engine (I know well these engines) and I prefer the simplicity of the AAZ engines. A complete TDI with 110 or 130 H.P. with complete electrical installation and the computer I could get for about 700 € ; but I think the electronics only leads to trouble in the long run ...


    well, here some picts. taken with the mobile. When I get the engine at home I'll put more picts.


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  12. Xavi_4Wheeler

    Xavi_4Wheeler Diesel like a tractor

    I have already begun working with the engine, I have some problems with the bellhousing- flywheel- starter; but nothing that has no solution... coming soon pictures.
     
  13. durk

    durk Member

    Very interested in your build up of the vw diesel,..... please post pics of bellhousing to tranny conversion. Good luck
     
  14. Xavi_4Wheeler

    Xavi_4Wheeler Diesel like a tractor

    I've resolved all the problems. I have used a '94 VW Jetta TD. flywheel, '89 VW passat bellhousing and a '06 Audi A3 TDI starter donor; now I have a frankenvagen engine R)

    The first problem I got, was the flywheel. My engine uses the same system than TDIs with the bi -mass flywheel that incorpores the press clutch and is made of two parts. I don't like this system. Also this system is difficult to engage the starter in front position.

    Second problem was find a new starter to put in front position in the jeep's bellhousing.

    Thinking about how to do it, I have decided not use the jeep's bellhousing and try to mate the VW's Passat bellhousing to the jeep's gearbox (is easiest), plus I get hidraulic clutch :)

    I have all the whole parts assembled and the engine connected to a battery and all runs well!!

    Now I need a bit of time to take pictures to post here.
     
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2009
  15. bkd

    bkd Moderator Supreme Staff Member 2022 Sponsor

    :lurk::beer::D
     
  16. Xavi_4Wheeler

    Xavi_4Wheeler Diesel like a tractor

  17. Xavi_4Wheeler

    Xavi_4Wheeler Diesel like a tractor

    this is the original flywheel with the pressure clutch and clutch (bi-mass type)

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    the new standard flywheel (also has larger diameter and weigh )

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    look at new clutch size versus the original clutch.

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  18. Xavi_4Wheeler

    Xavi_4Wheeler Diesel like a tractor

    the starter

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    the bellhousing ( I must cut off the diff. with the grinder)

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  19. durk

    durk Member

    Alright, going to be interesting to see how the match up of vdub bellhousing and t-90 tranny match. keep up the good work bud. Oh ya what are you planning on doing about the slave cylinder at the top of the bell???
     
  20. Xavi_4Wheeler

    Xavi_4Wheeler Diesel like a tractor

    I'll use the slave cylinder to have hidraulic clutch, there is enough space and it passes over the gearbox.

    Today I've cleaned the bellhousing and have cut off the diferential (remember the donor is a front traction and incorporates the dif. with the bellhousing)

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