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Wandering Jeepster

Discussion in 'Jeepster Commando and Commando Tech' started by jackdog, Jun 9, 2022.

  1. jackdog

    jackdog Member

    My Jeepster wanders a bit going down the road. Been trying to sell it and it seems to be an issue.
    It's got new u joint and bell joint in the intermediate shaft, new manual steering box, tie rod ends and shackles.
    When moving the wheel back and forth I can't see any noticable play.
    Any ideas?
     
  2. Fireball

    Fireball Well-Known Member 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Check your toe-in.

    Caster shims can help a lot too.
     
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  3. jackdog

    jackdog Member

    Forgot to mention I had it to the alignment shop for alignment.
     
  4. FinoCJ

    FinoCJ 1970 CJ5 Staff Member

    I'd check caster as well.... fighting some of the same with my 58 (saggy swap). It'll get caster shims when I replace the leaf springs.
     
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  5. Twin2

    Twin2 not him 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    look real close at steering box . when someone wiggles steering wheel
    just a little movement . can give you that floatee feel going down the road
     
  6. ITLKSEZ

    ITLKSEZ Hope for the best, prepare for the worst

    Did you get a printout?
     
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  7. Jw60

    Jw60 That guy 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    How are the kingpin and wheel bearings?
    Spring bushings...
     
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  8. jackdog

    jackdog Member

    No print out. It was an older machine.
     
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  9. jackdog

    jackdog Member

    New wheel bearings. The ball joints are tight, maybe a little to tight. When I have it on the lift it's hard to grab hold of the tire and turn the steering lock to lock.
    Spring bushings may be a little worn.
     
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  10. jackdog

    jackdog Member

    I'll check it out.
     
  11. Robert Wight

    Robert Wight New Member

    Curious what you find, my commando wanders at speed also. I've replaced the saginaw box, springs, lower and upper steering shafts, tie rod ends. Ball joints feel good, but haven't changed them yet. Measured my caster and found it at 2.3 deg, I'm going to measure again and consider increasing my caster. My steering wheel doesn't go back to center on it's own, which is why I'm probably going to increase the caster before I replace the ball joints.
     
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  12. Fireball

    Fireball Well-Known Member 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Your caster should ideally be 6-7 degrees for highway driving. It will probably make your front driveshaft u-joint angles less than ideal but it's been worth the tradeoff on both of my Jeeps.
     
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  13. jackdog

    jackdog Member

    Last edited: Jun 10, 2022
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  14. timgr

    timgr We stand on the shoulders of giants. 2022 Sponsor

    I would ask first and then find another shop that has a printer and will provide the printout.
     
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  15. jackdog

    jackdog Member

  16. nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

    Do you have the numbers even without a printout? If not we have no starting point. As was mentioned above most Jeeps prefer 5-7 degrees positive caster depending on width and diameter of tires. Wheel offset can make a difference as well. Many factory specs call for 3 degrees positive caster but that simply isn’t enough considering the age and modifications most of these Jeeps see.

    Honestly, I’d find another shop to check it. At work I have a machine that is probably 15-17 years old and it does very nice printouts for the customer. (I also have a new state of the art machine that also prints).
     
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  17. jackdog

    jackdog Member

    I'll schedule another alignment and go from there.
     
  18. Ol Fogie

    Ol Fogie 74 cj5 304, 1943 mb

    I have had vehicles that wanted to not return to center by it's self after replacing ball joints. There is a particular sequence of installing the ball joint nuts to help prevent them from being too tight.
     
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  19. jackdog

    jackdog Member

    Bought a magnetic angle meter and put it on top the ball joint and it shows 6-8 degrees. Can there be to much caster?
     
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  20. nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

    Yes there can be. Any more than 7* in these Jeeps can cause high speed instability, hard to turn the wheels at slow speeds, and accelerated tire shoulder wear in turns.
     
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