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Ps Belt

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by colojeepguy, Jan 16, 2022.

  1. colojeepguy

    colojeepguy Colorado Springs

    Anyone have a belt part number for a 225 with the high mount pump?
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  2. cayenne

    cayenne Member

    Belt (steering)

    50.5"

    Gates 25-7500 Napa
    But I would would buy one size bigger and smaller too and return them…it took a lot of guessing and checking.
     
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  3. timgr

    timgr We stand on the shoulders of giants. 2022 Sponsor

    Use a piece of rope and measure it. Easy. Any parts person that's not completely clueless can sell you a belt by length.
     
  4. oldtime

    oldtime oldtime

    The Gates 7500 is the absolute shortest belt you can run on a 225 with factory high mount.
    If I recall you can go longer up to around 2-1/2” more inches. Perhaps as long as the 7525.
    See: https://www.gates.com/us/en/power-transmission/v-belts/automotive-v-belts.html
    I’m running the 7500 on mine with standard diameter pulleys.
    A half inch wide tape measure gives very near the exact OAL as compared to the Gates chart.
     
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  5. colojeepguy

    colojeepguy Colorado Springs

    Got a Gates 7500, and it's the perfect length.
    But, my PS doesn't work!
    The pump is spinning and it's full of fluid but there's no power assist :banghead:
    I thought this was going to be a quick and easy project but it's been nothing but problems...
     
  6. txtoller

    txtoller Member 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Have you bled the system?
     
  7. colojeepguy

    colojeepguy Colorado Springs

    I jacked up the front and turned the steering lock to lock with the engine running probably a dozen times.
     
  8. timsresort

    timsresort Active Member 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    You actually want to do it without engine running. I did it at least 30 times on mine until air stopped burping out of the reservoir. Then run it for 2 seconds, repeat lock to lock until no new air.
     
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  9. Lockman

    Lockman OK.....Now I Get It . 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    How the Hell do you propose to bleed a PS reservoir With the engine Off ?????? :study:
     
  10. vtxtasy

    vtxtasy oldbee 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor

    Been there. You are forcing the gearbox to act as pump to get the air out. Also, helps to disconnect your drag link to get full lock to lock travel on the gearbox. Mine is about 4 turns disconnected and 2 when connected.
     
  11. timsresort

    timsresort Active Member 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    I
    Instructions from West Texas Off Road, (vendor for Saginaw boxes and ram assists): Cycle the gear back and forth without engine running until air stops burping out of the reservoir. Frequently check level, and top off. Once it has stopped burping, run the engine very briefly, top off again, and cycle again until it burps no more and stops taking more fluid. repeat as necessary. Worked great for me without foaming the fluid.
     
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  12. jeep peep69

    jeep peep69 Member

    Easy turn the wheel lock to lock till no more air bubbles. That’s how we do it on class 8 trucks it makes your for arms look like Popeyes. Any more stupid remarks ?
     
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  13. jeep peep69

    jeep peep69 Member

    Did the belt come off or get burned ? It may be the pump seized and sheared the shaft and isn't pumping . Did you just replace the pump or install it. Was this a sudden thing that just happened?
     
  14. colojeepguy

    colojeepguy Colorado Springs

    I just installed the PS setup. Pump isn't seized. Pump & gearbox are both used parts of unknown history.
     
  15. jeep peep69

    jeep peep69 Member

    Ok just trying to get an idea of what you got going. It is more than likely air in the system try bleeding it like Tim said also some gearboxes have a bleeder screw on them it looks like a pipe plug where the hoses hook to it if equipped with on take it out and cycle the wheel till fluid runs out with engine off.
     
  16. colojeepguy

    colojeepguy Colorado Springs

    Success! Had to put a different PS pump on it, now it works good...maybe TOO good! The steering is very light and very quick, it's going to take some getting used to.

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  17. homersdog

    homersdog Tulsa, Ok 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    It does take getting used to. Mine is 3.5 turns Lock to lock, it is quick. Don't sneeze while driving on the highway.
     
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  18. Steve's 70-5

    Steve's 70-5 Active Member

    Mine is quick too and I got a 13 inch steering wheel. Do not see drive fast at this time.
     
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  19. Fireball

    Fireball Well-Known Member 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Me too. The Saginaw steering on the '71 is touchy. I haven't bothered to figure out the ratio but if a slower one is available I'll probbaly swap to it some day.
     
  20. Wmi68CJ5

    Wmi68CJ5 Let the Sun Shine!

    Mine is a tad touchy also. I attributed it to the longer pitman arm I am using(stock 72 manual arm) but maybe its just what everyone else is experiencing