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T90 Countershaft Wear

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by aekdbbop, Feb 15, 2021.

  1. aekdbbop

    aekdbbop Member

    Having to replace the mainshaft on my t90. This rebuild has probably 7,000 miles on it. The countershaft has some deep wear on it. The spacer sleeve looks good on the cluster. What could have caused this?
     

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  2. pat w

    pat w Member

    Was the countershaft replaced at time of rebuild? If so my guess would be inferior quality/inferior hardness
     
  3. wheelie

    wheelie beeg dummy 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor

    First question I would have to ask is where that replacement shaft came from.
     
  4. aekdbbop

    aekdbbop Member

    The whole kit came from Novak
     
  5. kenb

    kenb Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult

    That's disappointing. What drove you to take it apart? 7k miles on a rebuild doesn't sound like a lot
     
  6. aekdbbop

    aekdbbop Member

    My transfer case blew up and in the process chewed up the threads on the main shaft. I need to replace that shaft to use my overdrive.
     
  7. aekdbbop

    aekdbbop Member

    I guess there’s a good chance that a piece of the transfer case made it into the transmission and found its way into the shaft.The transmission oil looked clean though.
     
  8. wheelie

    wheelie beeg dummy 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor

    Ill say that Novak generally has high quality parts so I'm inclined to say that something else caused the damage but, this is just my gut talking. Im also assuming the shaft in question was a Novak part which came with the kit or as an additional purchase. Not sure how a piece of debris would make it's way from the t-case into the transmission though they do share oil. That seems like wear that didn't just happen in a few minutes of run time though.
     
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  9. jeep peep69

    jeep peep69 Member

    I’ve seen them wear like that when a needle bearing is missing.
     
  10. aekdbbop

    aekdbbop Member

    Geeze I guess anything is possible...
     
  11. Ol Fogie

    Ol Fogie 74 cj5 304, 1943 mb

    Was the wear on only one of the needle brg sets and not on the rest of the shaft? Could be something like a bad needle or tiny rough spot that was on the shaft when it was made if it was on only one set of the needle brgs.
    I have seen what I thought was premature wear on those shafts, why? I do not know. after all they are completely submerged in the oil down there.
     
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  12. Ol Fogie

    Ol Fogie 74 cj5 304, 1943 mb

    I did replace my T-90 counter shaft and the intermediate D-18 shaft when doing an overhaul with shafts that have machine chrome on them. That was back in 1982 in my 43MB. The trans is still intact but only has been driven about 10k or less.
     
  13. justin_bongo

    justin_bongo Member

    Thats not wear, thats a machined groove.
    I just got done rebuilding my t90, and used a Novak master kit. It had the same shaft, with the same groove in the middle. Late to the party, but thought it might be useful info for anyone considering their kit.
    JT
     
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  14. Ol Fogie

    Ol Fogie 74 cj5 304, 1943 mb

    Wonder why It would need the machined groove there. :shrug: Is the groove outside the area where the needles are positioned? like inside the spacer tube. :confused:
    I recently bought a nos counter shaft on e-bay for my T-15 and it was smooth all the way.
     
  15. my T90 countershaft (original as far as i can tell) is smooth all the way. it does look like that would be inside the spacer tube.
     
  16. justin_bongo

    justin_bongo Member

    I wondered the same thing. That area is inside the spacer sleeve. Maybe the rough area slings oil??
    Its a Novak part, maybe they could answer.
    JT
     
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