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Cj5 Clutch Conversion

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by tripilio, Apr 1, 2020.

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  1. tripilio

    tripilio Proud American!

    I am planing to convert my clutch to hydraulic and I'm looking for a true and tried approach. I have an F134/T90/D18 set. I was thinking about a pull style slave but I do not know where to attach it to yet. I was contemplating the option of drilling and tapping the two bosses on the side of the T90 that are leftovers from the side shifting system to use them as attachement points. Any idea is welcome. Thanks. (y)
     
  2. OzFin

    OzFin Vintage Jeep Guy

    Not the same drive train as you are asking about, but maybe use this for ideas.
    I made this bracket for my 225 / T14 / D20.

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    I bent flat stock steel into the shape of the letter C and welded it on the side of the triangle bracket so that it "cups" the boss on the transmission. To the rear of that I anchored it with a bolt through a spacer into the threaded hole on the transfer case. On the D20 that hole was previously used for the mechanical clutch torque tube pivot stud.
    This bracket is a very solid setup and work well.

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  3. wasillashack

    wasillashack Member

    My compliments, very sanitary work!
     
  4. Jeepsterjim

    Jeepsterjim Member

    Nice job.
     
  5. Jrobz23

    Jrobz23 Member

    I’ve had the same. What are you thinkin for pedals?
     
  6. tripilio

    tripilio Proud American!

    OzFin, awesome fabrication! Very clean! Is that a pull slave? Can you provide part numbers for the slave and master? Thanks!
     
  7. OzFin

    OzFin Vintage Jeep Guy

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  8. tomtom

    tomtom Sponsor

    I did mine with a push cylinder. Made the bracket and a push rod. Bracket attaches to the bell housing bolts. I had the mechanical linkage set up for a really easy pedal and wanted to keep that with the hydraulic conversion. I used the dorman catalog to look up specifics on master and slave cylinders until I got an area ratio close to the mechanical ratio. It worked out great. It does have a pretty short throw for the release but once I drove it a bit it doesn't bother me at all. Pedals are from an intermediate.

    Master
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003H0W0RG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    Slave
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001PYG9EG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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  9. tripilio

    tripilio Proud American!

    Looks awesome, but I have a different bell housing. I have an F134. In my case, the fork is fully enclosed by the bell housing and a cable pulls through a hole in it. I don't think I can do it like that.
     
  10. iharding

    iharding Quitter

    I just learned about so-called hydraulic throwout bearings. It puts the slave cylinder in the bellhousing with the throwout bearing. Seems simple!

     
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  11. tomtom

    tomtom Sponsor

    Oh yeah, I forgot about that! I have an F134 too, but I swapped the bell housing to use a different transmission.
     
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  12. Jrobz23

    Jrobz23 Member

    I’ve heard of people using internal slaves on a F134 but I’ve never seen any pics or details of a project.
     
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  13. Fireball

    Fireball Well-Known Member 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    I've heard a lot of negatives about the hydraulic slave inside the bell housing. Mostly that they aren't very reliable, and you're pulling the motor or the transmission to fix it.

    At least an external slave is easy to fix. You aren't trail fixing an internal one.
     
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  14. sterlclan

    sterlclan Member 2024 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Everything I’ve ever seen with an internal slave has broken at least once.
     
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  15. ITLKSEZ

    ITLKSEZ Hope for the best, prepare for the worst

    When I worked at the 4wd shop, the most frequent job I did was replace leaky YJ throw out bearings.
     
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  16. tripilio

    tripilio Proud American!

    ...and they are pricey!:shock:
     
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  17. FinoCJ

    FinoCJ 1970 CJ5 Staff Member

    Did you by any chance do this in Colo Springs and replace the one on my 89YJ back in the golden days of 1997?

    and yes it broke my budget as a college student...that was probably when I decided I better learn to fix stuff myself. Not long after I had a leaky fuel 'roll-over/shut off' valve that I did myself. Not a lot to it of course, but it was a start. Sold the 4cyl YJ a few months later for a 6cyl cj7...
     
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  18. ITLKSEZ

    ITLKSEZ Hope for the best, prepare for the worst

    Nope, this was in Auburn, PA.
    Maybe ‘99-ish
     
  19. wheelie

    wheelie beeg dummy 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor

    Internal slave cylinders and hydraulic throw out bearings are 2 of the worst automotive innovations in history. Just my .02.
     
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  20. Jrobz23

    Jrobz23 Member

    I generally dislike the internal slaves since they are a bear to replace. That being said, this isn't being put behind an engine that will go 200k-300k between rebuilds. An F134 would be lucky to outlive its clutch. In that frame of thinking, on top of the fact that no OEM mounting bosses exist for an external, I wouldn’t mind an internal on this application.
     
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