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HEI Conversion, now no top end power

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by gper, Jun 21, 2008.

  1. gper

    gper New Member

    I've converted my V6 to HEI and have worked the intitial bugs out. All new cap, module, wires etc. Engine is totally stock and original otherwise.

    Engine starts great and runs clean, nice idle and low end.

    But..... Over 2500 RPM (estimate, tach not connected yet) it just runs out of power. The engine always pulled pretty stong up to 4K or so previous to the change.

    I have not changed to the adjustable vacumn advance yet, but not sure if that's connected to this issue.

    Any advise?
     
  2. packrat2A

    packrat2A Member

    did you pull out any ballast resistor wires, and take power from a good battery source?
    I'm just guessing, but you might be running out of power to feed the HEI at the upper RPMs
     
  3. gper

    gper New Member

    Ballast resistor bypassed.
     
  4. Patrick

    Patrick Super Moderator Staff Member

    How is your advance curve? Mechanical and vacuum?
     
  5. sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

    Is it 180* out?

    Mine did that when it was.

    Check the passenger side exhaust, if it's cool that's the problem.
     
  6. jeepwrench

    jeepwrench New Member

    make sure the vacume advance is plumbed to ported vacume. by this i mean the port should only have vacume above idle and nothing at idle. also make sure the advance diaphram on the distributor is working and also check the mechanical advance inside the distributor under the rotor. and make sure the base timing is set without and advance at all.

    it can only be a timing issue. hei should make it run way better.
     
  7. sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

    I'd like to point out as well that it'd be nigh impossible to hook up the vacuum advance to anything but the right port on the carb. There are no manifold fittings that are the right size (or there shouldn't be and it'd be hard to find some that were the same size).

    If it weren't hooked up to the carb, it'd run better at high RPM and not idle correctly. The vacuum advance really doesn't have that great an effect on performance. It really helps fuel economy more than performance. Some folks here, Zed comes to mind, plugged or discoed the vacuum advance with no ill effects.
     
    Last edited: Jun 21, 2008
  8. zed

    zed Iowa- Gateway to Nebraska

    Sparky remembers correctly. I removed the vacuum advance can, locked down the vacuum advance mech in the dist.

    It pulls great at idle and purrs at high rpm. It didn't really seem to affect my mpg much if at all. (at least compared to the stock dist.)

    As others have said, it sounds as if the timing is 180* off. It can happen easily when you put the new dist back in.

    The only other thing I can think of is if the mechanical advance is either sticking, not free or the springs are not correct (the curve as Patrick says)
     
    Last edited: Jun 22, 2008
  9. Hawkes

    Hawkes Member

    I agree, an old post of Sparky's helped me identify that problem with my 4.3. Idles great, no power. As Sparky said if you have dual exhaust one tailpipe will be cold.
     
  10. gper

    gper New Member

    Very interesting suggestion regarding the 180' out.

    I had a bad backfire situation on the right side, which we diagnosed as a bad valve spring. We found a cold cylinder there as well. Replaced all the valve springs and now the backfire is gone.

    I wonder if I had both problems? Will run it tomorrow and check the right side temps!
     
  11. gper

    gper New Member

    Good news to report, but as usual not exactly what I expected.

    The distributor was out of sequence or just 1 tooth off. We rotated it a tooth and immediately the heat returned to the right side cylinders...except for 1 (#2).

    So a little more diagnosis found a bad spark plug! The plugs were new within a couple of months so I never even considered that possibility. 1 new plug and it runs better than new.

    My guess is the backfiring was a combination of the out of sequence ignition and the bad plug. The valve spring was probably not a big issue, although it did stop backfiring after the springs were changed, before any of the other fixes. So who knows.

    Now lots of joy in mudville.

    Thanks for all the suggestions, I also found guidance in a very detailed Odd Fire HEI guide written by Rich Motts at www.jeepster.org/swchapter/hei-2.html
     
  12. sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

    Great!

    It's a great resource. I've got it and several other useful links in the tech section here:
    http://earlycj5.com/tech/engines/225/225Links.php
     
  13. zed

    zed Iowa- Gateway to Nebraska

    I forgot about that article. I know you solved the problem but I was interested in this little tidbit from Motts' write up.

    "Gap the plugs a little wider, .040 is fine. A wider gap will give a better idle, too wide will kill top end performance." which makes sense.

    I keep mine at about .050 or so.
     
  14. sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

    I should check mine. They should be open pretty wide between the HEI and the MSD box...

    I just can't remember.