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58 Cj5 Headlight Switch Question

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by skratch, Feb 10, 2018.

  1. skratch

    skratch Banned

    More elec. problems,,, :shrug:

    When I bought this Jeep all lights worked fine, later no lights except headlights work. I've checked every connection I can find, fuses etc. Then thought maybe the switch could be the problem. In testing it
    seems weird to me. With the ignition on and light switch off the hot wire at the primary fuse end OK, but the
    tabs also hot, but not the other end of fuse. The fuse is good. With switch turned on tabs test 0.30v to 1.20v or so, also the opposite end of the fuse the same.
    The switch is kinda cruddy looking with rust around the knob end of the threaded shank against the switch body. There are wires connected to the two tabs on the right and to the tab closest to the knob end. The remaining tab without a wire tests negative.
    It's Greek to me ? Any ideas ?


    Thanks, John ,,








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  2. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    First thought is you shouldn't have to turn the ignition switch on to turn the headlights on. Are you saying you do have to?
     
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  3. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Second is it sounds to me like you have a bunch of bad, corroded connections. Weird that it did work though, did it get wet or dirty somehow?
     
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  4. skratch

    skratch Banned

    Glenn, thanks for you response. The jeep was re-wired to 12v by a retired electrician, nothing works unless the ignition is on. He said he done it that way
    to help deter thieves and possible battery drain if he forgot to turn the lights off, it also has a hidden switch that cuts off power to everything. I think the switch
    may have been wet in the past by the looks of it. Also has two plugin adapters under the hood for normal driving or towing hookup. Maybe I should hook it to my truck
    towing harness to see if works that way ?

    Thanks ,,,, John
     
  5. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    FWIW I just use a test light to check connections, simpler than trying to read voltage. You either get a weak light probably = bad connection or brighter = good connection. Electrical issues can be simple to figure out or a pain to figure out. Might as well check the plugin adapters you describe...could be dirty connections there.
     
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  6. Focker

    Focker That's a terrible idea...What time? Staff Member

    Check the Grounds and also try bypassing the switch... Process of elimination.
     
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  7. Rick Whitson

    Rick Whitson Detroit Area 2024 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Sounds like the PO took something that was easy and made it harder. Older Jeeps are simple and are made that on purpose, why make it harder. I can see making a hook up for flat towing, and putting a switch to disconnect the battery, but prefer to leave the wiring harness alone. I did use trailer wire to wire the stop and tail lights so the color code was the same as all trailers and can be traced easily.
     
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  8. Walt Couch

    Walt Couch sidehill Cordele, Ga. 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Think about this for a minute..? No matter what, If you have power at the primary fuse end but not at the other end of fuse (as you stated) then the fuse is no good. The fuse may be barely touching under one of the ends that will show some voltage but will not pass current. A test light (as stated) will give you better mileage in solving this problem. With the light switch OFF and key ON, the tabs should have no power to them unless the internals of the light switch are bad or you have power back-feed.
     
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  9. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Definitely sounds like a bad fuse but he said the headlights work which doesn't make sense.
     
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  10. Walt Couch

    Walt Couch sidehill Cordele, Ga. 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Mix-up in the diagnosis somewhere. Needs to try again with a test light and report back.
     
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  11. Rick Whitson

    Rick Whitson Detroit Area 2024 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    What Walt said x2. Good Luck.
     
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  12. skratch

    skratch Banned

    I tried the test light as Glenn suggested, same results. I just replaced the switch with a new one of same type. Same thing as old one.
    Beats me ,,,,, :shrug:
     
  13. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    A test light is just easier to use when troubleshooting wiring like you're doing, I hope it didn't seem like I meant you might get a different result. You are saying the headlights still work but nothing else right? So you have power to the fuse?
     
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  14. skratch

    skratch Banned

    No problem Glenn, I appreciate the tip ! Power to the fuse on the new switch same as before, every thing the same. I'm going to test all connections
    I can find with the test light, got to be something simple, I hope. Every thing was fine when I bought it, maybe a fuse I haven't found yet or a bad ground.

    One thing though I found a wire to a headlight that a blasted mouse or rat had chewed into, fixed it. Same thing on my ATV, chewed wires. I put out
    a bunch of pizzen, no more problems since. I hope the varmint suffered.

    Could be part of the problem.

    Thanks,,
    John
     
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2018