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Dauntless 225 burnt valve?

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by noahlon, Apr 14, 2016.

  1. noahlon

    noahlon Old Fart

    My 68 dauntless started missing on #5. It backfires through the exhaust at idle. The compression is around 80# indicating a burnt valve probably from ethanol. My question is, would it be best to do a valve job on both heads, just the left head or could I replace both with later 231 heads with hardened valves and seats?
     

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  2. Patrick

    Patrick Super Moderator Staff Member

    If it is a burnt valve, and you're confident the bottom end is in good shape, I'd pull both heads and have them rebuilt with hardened seats.
     
  3. jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

    I'd pull the valve cover and check for other possibilities: broken valve spring, worn out/flat lifter etc.
     
  4. tarry99

    tarry99 Member

    Both of which was said above..............and the later even fired 231 heads will not work on your 225.
     
  5. nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

    X3. And what leads to the conclusion of ethanol fuel causing the issue?
     
  6. noahlon

    noahlon Old Fart

    I have two older small engines with burnt valves that several mechanics have attributed to ethanol. As this engine was built before ethanol was introduced, they said it is very likely the cause.
     
  7. PeteL

    PeteL If it wasn't for physics, and law enforcement... 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    I too would like to understand the mechanism by which ethanol could "burn" a valve. In recent years small engine mechanics seem to blame it for everything they can't fix.

    On the other hand, I am personally seeing stuck valves - which I never used to. Possibly due to the reduction or absence of traditional additives in the oil and gas, such as lead and zinc???
    Anybody else feel this way?
     
    Last edited: Apr 15, 2016
  8. noahlon

    noahlon Old Fart

    I am not a chemist, so I really don't know. However, I have started adding diesel fuel to the gas I use in small engines (1 gal diesel to 10 gal's gas) and have had no more problems with small engines. Should have been doing that with my jeep!
     
  9. nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

    Pretty much I do. Since ethanol burns cooler (less btu's) it seems unlikely that's the cause of burned valves.
     
  10. Daryl

    Daryl Sponsor

    Won't have any problems with mosquitos putting out that kind of a smokescreen. 10:1 gas/oil mixture? Is that really what you meant to write?
     
  11. PeteL

    PeteL If it wasn't for physics, and law enforcement... 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    x2.
    And back in the day of pre-mix for motorcycles I read that too much oil could even make the engine run too lean (hot) because of the amount of gasoline it displaced .
     
  12. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Stuck valves from old/bad gas I can relate to.
     
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  13. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Got my attention too. 50/1 and a 2 stroke smokes, but that is of course an oil mix. I always wondered what diesel and gas mixed would do.
     
  14. Patrick

    Patrick Super Moderator Staff Member

    I tried mixing diesel, and then kerosene, in the fuel in my L134 trying to raise the boiling point so it would quit boiling the fuel in the bowl upon shut down. The only result I saw was exhaust smoke with 1/2 gallon kero per 9 1/2 gal. fuel.
     
  15. noahlon

    noahlon Old Fart

    The only ill effect is a slight diesel exhaust smell, not as much as a diesel engine. I started doing that with a 49 ford F-3 with the flat head 6. In the 8 years I drove it on unleaded gas never had any valve problems. Sold it and they quit adding diesel and about a year later blew the engine. Not saying the diesel additive prevented it, but sure didn't hurt anything.