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Another jeep, Dad's Tuxedo Park

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by Patrick, Oct 15, 2015.

  1. Jan 22, 2016
    Patrick

    Patrick Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Heater time. The factory heater in this Jeep works as well as any I've seen, but, well, you know. My Dad built a defrost duct which is plumbed to the factory heater, and it works well.
    I used one of these heaters from Summit Racing in the white Jeep, and was thoroughly impressed, so I bought one for the Tux. It's plumbed inline, after the factory heater. As expected, it works extremely well.[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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  2. Jan 22, 2016
    Agar426

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    Glad to hear it works well! That's the one I bought for the CJ-6. I was going to use it stand alone, but am now thinking of using it along with the factory heater. Does it get pretty crowded under the dash with both units? Then again, your Tux is an earlier model, so not an apples to apples comparison with an Intermediate, correct?
     
  3. Jan 22, 2016
    Patrick

    Patrick Super Moderator Staff Member

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    It's mounted up behind the glove box, which is completely empty without the heater. It is a bit tight under the dash, but just slip the ducts off and you can get to everything. I don't know what the intermediate heater looks like.
    The factory heater is now just for defrost, and heating my feet if need be. I didn't want those vents down below the dash, but I also didn't want to cut 3" holes in the dash......Besides, the dash is pretty full on this Jeep.
     
  4. Jan 23, 2016
    Agar426

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    I think the install came out great! I purchased the same vents and was planning on mounting them exactly as you did.

    The intermediate heater takes up the space behind the glovebox, much like the later CJs do, with one of the exceptions being the intermediate blower mower is on the cab side rather than the engine compartment side, therefore no ready made "blazer motor upgrade" mod for intermediates.

    My thought was that the Heatercraft should put out enough heat for the Jeep on its own. But.....I was still going to mount the cowl side plenum from the factory heater (the factory heater is split up into the two components, the heater assembly behind the glovebox, and the plenum attached to the underside of the cowl). The reason I still wanted to mount the cowl side is so that I wouldn't have a huge hole in my cowl to dump rain and crud into the cab. This would allow me to both drain the elements through the drain hose as per factory, and it would allow me to open the flap and get outside air. Now that I think about it.....if I could find the room, I may be better off using both heaters.

    Does mounting both heaters split the engine heat between them, resulting in two heaters not getting as hot as they would be operating alone (assuming both heaters were running at the same time)?

    BTW - I've seen the ducting your dad did for the defrost....genius! I am guessing that Jeep has the most effective defroster ever seen in an early CJ!
     
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  5. Jan 23, 2016
    Patrick

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    Well theoretically yes. I can assume that if I'm not running the fan on the factory heater, the down-stream aftermarket unit will be warmer. There will be some heat loss through the heater core even with the fan not running. Either way, it still makes plenty of heat. I plumbed it this way on my old Jeep simply because it's much easier and cleaner under the hood, and so I did it the same on this one.
     
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  6. Jan 23, 2016
    uncamonkey

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    Good work, both of my Jeeps run two heaters and unless it gets really cold out I just need to run the one that is for the defrost after you get the inside to a decent temp. I know you don't like hardtops but I would never go back to a soft top on either. I suppose, the Commando has never had a soft top on it as I have never taken the hard top off of it.
     
  7. Jan 23, 2016
    Agar426

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    Thank you Patrick for the info! That Jeep has always been one of my favorites, and it's just getting better!
     
  8. Jan 23, 2016
    Patrick

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    Next up- I'm ditching the 60/40 bench. I know it's part of the Tuxedo, but to me the bench isn't super comfortable, and really doesn't make a lot of sense..
     
  9. Jan 23, 2016
    Patrick

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    Certainly! Come by and look anytime..;)
     
  10. Jan 23, 2016
    Agar426

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    Once again....same boat here. My CJ-6 had the split bench, and it wasn't very comfortable. I will be going aftermarket seats most likely, as I want something that's pretty comfortable. I do hate minimizing access to the underseat toolbox though. On my CJ-2A, I wanted to stick with a low back, as I like the look better on a flatfender, and I don't imagine going for super long rides in that one. That being said, I can't seem to get the CJ-6 on the road, much less get going on the CJ-2A. ;)
     
  11. Jan 23, 2016
    Agar426

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    Excellent! I look forward to it...thank you!
     
  12. Jan 23, 2016
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    The plan is to reverse the tool box lid so it opens from the back; hinged at the front. The 40 section/ passenger seat doesn't tumble all the way into the foot well anyway, so the tool box is hard to get to as-is.
     
  13. Jan 23, 2016
    Agar426

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    That makes a lot of sense to reverse it. My tub is coated with Raptor liner inside and underneath, including inside the tool box. I fear that I hosed myself, and am too lazy to grind off the Raptor......Ugggh!

    Side note, my factory fold and tumble would give me full access to the tool box, as it did fold all the forward into the footwell. What I didn't like about the bench was two things.....the "60" portion was very uncomfortable.....just padding on top of a piece of wood. At least the fold and tumble passenger seat had springs in it. The second thing is that I simply prefer the bucket seat look, and I am planning on running a Tuffy console with the stereo mounting.
     
  14. Jan 23, 2016
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    The driver/ 60 section has springs and foam. Dad had the seats re-done when he built the Jeep, so they are nice, just not comfortable. I want a center console of some sort. The bench is just wasted space.
    I don't know why the passenger seat doesn't fold/ tumble all the way. It hits the dash. I wonder if too much padding was added when it was rebuilt? I don't remember what they looked like before..
     
  15. Jan 23, 2016
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    This one is coated with Dura-Bak. I need to look closer at the tool box lid and see how much of an issue this is going to be.
     
  16. Jan 23, 2016
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    I'm using the same heater but as a stand alone unit.
    If you guys are looking for heater outlets that are a bit lower profile, I used this: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/vta-63016-vul
    You use 3" tubing and just compress it to oval shape.
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    Just If you notch the wheel houses and mount the seats on slider tracks, you can make the seats tilt backwards. If I want to access the tool box: I slide the seat forward, lift the front and tilt it backwards. Norcal69's common sense build. | Page 2 | EarlyCJ5.com
    Just a couple ideas.
     
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  17. Jan 23, 2016
    Agar426

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    Thanks for the link on the outlets! Does your Jeep have the cowl opening behind the hood? I can't remember what year the cutoff was on that. If so...how did you contend with that? Also, is it an issue not getting outside air to the system? (I don't imagine it would be, but just asking)
     
  18. Jan 23, 2016
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    Yep, I like the look of those. I wonder if they have as much area/ flow as the round ones?
     
  19. Jan 23, 2016
    uncamonkey

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    Defrosters work much better using outside air as it is less humid. Sort of like another thread about why newer vehicles run the AC to dry the air.
     
  20. Jan 24, 2016
    Norcal69

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    I'm pulling air from inside the jeep. I was out last night in the cold rain. The window was fogged up pretty good when we got in but the summit heater cleared it right up. With Summit heater I have one port going to the defrost and the other goes to a Y and then to the two ducts. The heater will cook you out of the jeep with the top on.
     
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