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Time for new headlights......

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by WorkInProgress, Nov 26, 2012.

  1. Nov 26, 2012
    WorkInProgress

    WorkInProgress Member

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    any tips on what headlights are best? im thinking of JW Speaker brand 7" round LED headlights for the high power low amperage draw or maybe TruckLite brand LED, or KC HiLites brand 7" that use replaceable H4 bulb. my 59 cj5 fhead is bone stock currently alternator but i think im going back to a generator probably a 30 amp. mostly thinking of changing back for originality ( im pretty young so i get a kick out of tinkering with old things) thats most of the reason i want to keep the fhead.... besides if i put a newer motor with more power ill need better steering better axle better brakes etc etc and i dont want to molest a perfectly good restoration candidate since overall its in great shape for its age. some things are just too good/nice/fun to modify.
     
  2. Nov 26, 2012
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    H4 Lights are definitely one of the top things on my list, just for safety's sake.

    They're easy to put in and swap out if "originality" is desired.

    Just a standard bulb is fine, no need for a high-wattage bulb, IMO.
     
  3. Nov 26, 2012
    nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

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    Something doesn't jive here. You want is stock Jeep but putting non stock headlights in it? Doesn't make sense to downgrade to a generator then Upgrade the headlights. I'd suggest getting a game plan about what you want the final result to be then go with it.


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  4. Nov 26, 2012
    PeteL

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    H4 is a good light, and won't alter the looks much. I love them. But a stock F-head doesn't really need a whole lot of light upgrades at 45 mph.

    I support your notion of keeping originality in general. You can find a modified jeep if you ever want one.
     
  5. Nov 27, 2012
    hudsonhawk

    hudsonhawk Well-Known Member

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    The Silvania Silverstar lights are a good upgrade over stock and keep the stock look.
     
  6. Nov 27, 2012
    nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

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    Bear in mind many light upgrades require more amps. Amps a stock generator may not be able to keep up with when added up to other electrical requirements.


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  7. Nov 27, 2012
    duffer

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    I think that is why he is considering the LED's which use a lot less wattage than stock. My thoughts are to just leave the alternator on it and use the H4's if the Jeep is to be used for a Jeep. The way cheapest route. The H4's do draw some juice but work very well with quite a few options for bulbs. My 3B got H4's back in the mid 70's and I think I have only replaced bulbs about twice in that 40 years or so.
     
  8. Nov 27, 2012
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Best? Cibie
    http://www.danielsternlighting.com/

    Best value?
    Hella e-codes and 60/55W H4s

    If you plan to use this rig, I'd definitely run a higher amperage alternator and upgrade the wiring harness w/relays as appropriate for modern H4 lighting.
     
  9. Nov 27, 2012
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    55 watts is 55 watts, whether it's tungston, halogen or HID. The difference in light output is in lamp efficiency & reflector design. In point of fact the 55 watt high beam rating (nominally actually closer to 60 in real life) is for 12 volts +/- at the filament, at real running charging voltages of 13.8/ 14.5 volts you're actually closer to 75 watts on most bulbs (this can vary a bit because bulbs actually change resistance as voltage increases).

    So- worst case 75 watts @ 13.8 volts = ~5.5 amps per headlight or 11 amps total. Throw in another 2-3 amps for taillights & 5 amps (WAG) to run the engine & you're drawing about 20 amps total to go down the road at night.

    Your 35 amp genny will work just fine for legal lights. If you upgrade to 100 watt bulbs you'd probably still get away with it until you **** off an oncoming motorist with a baseball bat.

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  10. Nov 27, 2012
    timgr

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    Best value may be Autopal, not Hella. http://stores.ebay.com/Autopal-Ligh...=3526707&_sid=107774186&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322

    The e-code reflectors are way better than the DOT-approved ones.

    Most run a relay with upgraded lights. The difference in brightness due to bypassing the headlight and high beam switches is noticeable. Use the relay contacts to switch the lights and power the relay coil with the headlight switch.
     
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    nickmil

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    I get that Duffer, and agree they will use less amperage, but his original post stated he was going back to a generator for originality but then wanting to change the headlights? I see the reasoning for wanting better lights and lower amp draw but it doesn't go with his statement about originality.
     
  12. Nov 27, 2012
    PeteL

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    I find I never " **** off an oncoming motorist" even with 100watt. The good reflectors control the stray light cut-off much better than DOT units.
     
  13. Nov 27, 2012
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Depends on aiming too, I've just about had my eyes burned out by a$$holes running HIDs that weren't properly aimed.

    Sharp cutoff patterns also annoy me- hit a little bump and there's some really nasty apparent flicker going on.

    H.
     
  14. Nov 27, 2012
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Perhaps, probably most noticeable on a vehicle with old corroded wiring & switch contacts.

    But for a jeep in reasonable condition running legal speeds it`s pretty hard to overrun your lights, is there really a worthwhile improvement or are we just going after bragging right here?

    H.
     
  15. Nov 27, 2012
    Patrick

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    I have a set of Autopal. The housing is too thin; the retaining ring doesn't hold them tight in the bucket. Not even close. I tried them in 2 CJs, and my TJ.

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    Patrick

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    Definitely worth it. I added relays and E-code Delta H4s on my CJ, and the difference was absolutely amazing.

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    timgr

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    Lots of people have done this upgrade (the relays and larger wire), and reported an improvement in headlight brightness. And it's cheap - a roll of 10 or 12 ga wire, connectors and a couple of relays. I expect the improvement is partly from both the long wire path and smaller wire that the factory wiring uses. Measure the voltage at the battery and at your headlight connectors - if they are the same, then it won't help. If they are not, even a volt in difference will be significant here.
     
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    timgr

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    Did you make them work or are they on the shelf?
     
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    WorkInProgress

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    lotta good ideas in here
     
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    nickmil

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    So the question remains, do you want originality or better lighting?


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