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Quicksilver

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This my current Willys build is dedicated to the memory of the Acme Silver Bullet.
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Build parameters.
1) Use 100% CJ parts 1945-1985 if at all possible.
2) The CJ was ever in a state of change.
Keep all components as early vintage as possible unless the change is an actual upgrade by todays standards.
3) Keep it as small and light as possible yet highly capable and versatile.
4) The final product must be a complete synchronous system. And as it turns out since these are all “Jeep” components. Jeep COULD have actually gone this same direction.


And it all begins with a genuine Jewels 3A body tub from the late 1970’s.

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This tub was acquired several years ago.
Was imported to US by a guy who worked in the Philippines back in the 1970’s.
He had it mounted on a stock standard 2A.
He did an absolute terrible job mounting it.
Was actually the nastiest sheet metal fitting I has ever seen.
So I have LOTS to do in order to simply get the tub back to its original condition.

 
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What is the tub made from?
 
Very Cool! That should last forever!

One Seriously Cool Project!

Will be watching the progress on this project.

Dave
 
Is there a tailgate? And are you needing chrome grab handles?
 
I learned to weld and fabricate in tech school 1974.
I bought my first car, a 1967 SS Camaro convertible that same year.
In 1975 the Camaro broke down and I did not like working on cars.
Just Too greasy !
Anyway I realized that muscle cars just were not my style.
So I traded it in on a new tricked out 1975 Datsun mini truck.
I liked driving the truck well enough but the new truck broke down on me too.
So I traded that in on what I thought at the time to be indestructible; a 1976 CJ-5 equipped with every heavy duty option available.
I finally found a vehicle style that I REALLY liked.
I liked driving the Jeep so much that I bought another, a non running 1948 2A.
But still hated working on greasy stuff so it just sat for the next 2 years.
By 1978 I broke the rear axle on the CJ-5 and I could not afford to fix it so I sold the Jeep. Now I was forced to get the 1948 up and running if I ever hoped to drive again.
So I finally taught myself to be at peace with grease.
During the rebuild process I started collecting all manner of Jeep books and parts catalogs.
That’s when I first became aware of ACME Jeep and the SILVER BULLET.
Being a welder fabricator. I was fascinated with the stainless body. I loved welding and fabricating with exotic metals. I could not afford a stainless body at that time ($4000) but the impression it left me with was permanent.
By 1985 ACME JEEP and also Jewels had gone out of business.
Many years later after needing and building many Jeeps I planned to someday build the best.
I saved up the best parts for many many years.
Started saving rare Willys parts in the mid 80’s.
Quite a few years ago I came across a 1948 CJ2A with a complete Jewels body.
It was up in Chicago.
I wanted a genuine Jewels body for my ultimate build and so I bought it.
I sold the complete operable 1948 running gear out from under the Jewels.
The Jewels sat uncovered in my back yard for many years.
After many years of saving top notch Jeep parts, I washed the dirt off the Jewels tub and it still looked as good as the day I bought it.

It is a complete Jewels 3A body kit from the late 1970’s.

Ken
 
John, actually I have been weighing virtually every single item as I assemble this Jeep.
I am getting near done with the tub now and plan to weigh it before I mount it on for good.
I’ll take a guess that the 14 gauge tub alone is 300 pounds.
 
The Ultimate Trans-Model Jeep build.

“Jeep Model Selection”

I wanted to mimic the original military build stipulations as much as practical.
Mainly the fact that the military was initially wanting to keep the vehicle under 2000 pounds.
Bottom line is that Bantam could not do it and neither could I within reason.
I had even considered building of the M 422 mighty mite. But parts swapping with other more standardized Jeep components would be a near complete fail. For starters the Mighty Mite engine is simply WAY too small for my needs. And just about no way to retrofit a Dana 18/20 transfer case into the Mite.
However I did rather like idea of having an aluminum body.

So like I say I planned to stay with the earliest designed Jeep components so long as they had never significantly been improved upon.
So I started looking for fault with the MB tub design. To me the size is just right. Besides I’m only 5’7” and the flatfenders have always fit me very well. Besides I just love the look of early flatfender Jeeps. Buy this really is not about looks. It’s about function, versatility, performance, durability and dependability.

I ended up choosing a CJ-3A as the “best” model to build for my need.
I feel that the M-38, CJ-3A, CJ-3B and all later Jeeps have a vastly superior windshield design as compared to all earlier flatfenders.

I simply don’t like nor need the cowl battery box of the M38. And the M38 windshield vent does not flip open.
Love the 3B but not the 3B jinx; the frontal view restriction due to the tall hood.
So long as I can get my choice of engine to fit under a low hood, I prefer a low hood.

Honestly I don’t think that any of the M38-A1’s nor CJ-5’s are 1 iota superior to the 3A body design concerning form fit and function.
In fact I believe the 3A to be the superior body tub. It was designed to utilize individual instrumentation and I feel that is superior over the CJ-5 cluster gauge system.
And here again the M38-A1/CJ-5 hood height offers no advantage compared to a low hooded flatfender Jeep. Add to that the “prone to rust” CJ-5 windshield frame design.

So that’s details the main factors as to why I consider a 3A as the overall “Best Jeep Model” for my ultimate Trans-Model Jeep build.

So stay with me and we will chat a bit more about the 3A models and delve into material selection.
 
…the military was initially wanting to keep the vehicle under 2000 pounds… …and delve into material selection…
Glad you’re headed there; I’ve been curious since your first post…
18g mild steel is 2lbs per sq/ft, and 14g stainless is 3.125 lbs per sq/ft. I get the appeal of stainless, but I’m curious why you chose a body that is 64% heavier than stock for this application when one of your main goals is keeping it light weight?
 
ITLKSEZ, I’ll try and touch on some of those points next time. But quite frankly I did exactly as the military did back in the early 40’s. I gave in and compromised on the weight restrictions in favor of other desirable qualities.
I suppose otherwise this would be all about the ultimate “MITE”.
 
From an engineering view point, this will be super interesting.
There was a guy in Wilmington building am MB out of aluminum, super interesting.
Will enjoy following this build.
The M422 Mites are hard to get parts for since they are so specialized. A friend used to put VW diesel engines in them. Those were cool.
Good write up, looking forward to watching your progress.

Dave
 
One thing about the mite and humvee is that they are independent suspension and the chassis does not flex the body near as much.
 
Like I was saying; my intention here is assembling the “Best of Jeep” (1941-1986).
Why do I draw a line at 1986 ? Well simply put I am old school in my mechanical ability.
1986 was the end of the CJ line up and the era of carburetors.
You all know how Jeep really changed things in 1976 with full implementation of AMC parts and design.
Truth is that I find VERY little to be of interest after 1975 that can be of substantial benefit to the early model.
And almost nothing but common nuts and bolts are a direct interchange to the early models.
If you wanna talk about the “Central Standard Time Proven Jeep Design”, then I suppose I could diverge off onto that direction some.
For me that was an enlightening study.

A build up always starts with the frame.
Besides it’s simplistic body design; I feel that a 3A has a few other superior qualities.
Here the 3A frames simplicity and strength easily excel over the earlier Jeep models.
I believe it to be even superior to the near identical M38. For 2 examples; I have no need for the M38 frame tie downs nor the 3A spring pivots. 3-A frames use greaseable leaf spring mounting bolts and not common grade 8 bolts as is used for the M38 spring pivot.

The earliest 3B frames are also virtually identical to a 3A frame.
The 3B’s taller battery mount being the only difference.
And the 2 later versions of 3B frames offer no other real advantages.
Over the years 1949-1964 the changes are so few and subtle that all CJ-3A/B frames are essentially equal for useage.
That said when I scrutinize for fine detail nothing in my mind surpasses the quality of a 1949-1953 3A frame.

For the sake of argument I will say the CJ-5 frame is its equal or better.
In fact it does provide for longer length leaf springs than a flatfender frame.
Also it it uses what is likely a better frontal crossmember.
But here’s essentially my point.
While the CJ -5 frame can be forced into service under a 3A tub, it just does not fit right.
The body mountings will not align and the frame is longer at rear.
So if one simply must have the longer leaf’s of the CJ-5 then I suggest you cut off the 3A spring pivot and shackle brackets to relocate for longer leafs.
Me I simply don’t see enough advantage to longer leafs to consider hacking on the frames geometry.
In fact I come to find that I cannot increase the front spring travel due to choice of engine selection.
For me the point became moot.
Why put longer springs up front if you end up having to limit the stuffed travel anyway to avoid engine interference ?

A few comments on Metallurgy.
If I were building a vehicle of my own design and manufacture this topic would be of prime importance.
But this build is really about my accumulation of knowledge.
Specifically the knowledge of jeeps 1941-1986.
So for practicality’s sake I am using mostly all OEM assemblies and components and no choice is provided concerning what metal is best for any particular application.
Otherwise we might see a huge influx of exotics such as titanium, various grades of exotic steels like mangalloy, stainless steels, chrome molybdenum, aluminum. brass, you name it.
But in this case I am mainly concerned with tub/ body construction.
The realistic prefabricated possibilities are mild steel, stainless steel, aluminum, and yes even a custom ordered brass construction.
Mild steel can rust and so basically must be painted.
Proper grades of stainless basically will not rust.
Aluminum must be painted if near salt. Saves weight but notable less strength.
So it requires thick gauges to compensate.
In the end it saves little to no weight if you value durability.
Brass is actually an option for the ultra rich.
However brass is a notably “soft” metal and so heavy gauges will be required in order to minimize denting.
I simply opted for the Jewels stainless because I had long been entranced by their reputation and product durability.
Jewels had long ago ceased production.
While other Phillpine’s stainless tub manufacturers have since attempted, no one has trumped the Jewels reputation of quality.
Let me put it this way…..
I will never be concerned with the Jewels hood oil canning or buckling in strong headwinds at high speed.
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I hope I get a chance to see this Jewels tub next Fall.
 
Like I was saying; my intention here is assembling the “Best of Jeep” (1941-1986).
Why do I draw a line at 1986 ? Well simply put I am old school in my mechanical ability.
1986 was the end of the CJ line up and the era of carburetors.
You all know how Jeep really changed things in 1976 with full implementation of AMC parts and design.
Truth is that I find VERY little to be of interest after 1975 that can be of substantial benefit to the early model.
And almost nothing but common nuts and bolts are a direct interchange to the early models.
If you wanna talk about the “Central Standard Time Proven Jeep Design”, then I suppose I could diverge off onto that direction some.
For me that was an enlightening study.

A build up always starts with the frame.
Besides it’s simplistic body design; I feel that a 3A has a few other superior qualities.
Here the 3A frames simplicity and strength easily excel over the earlier Jeep models.
I believe it to be even superior to the near identical M38. For 2 examples; I have no need for the M38 frame tie downs nor the 3A spring pivots. 3-A frames use greaseable leaf spring mounting bolts and not common grade 8 bolts as is used for the M38 spring pivot.

The earliest 3B frames are also virtually identical to a 3A frame.
The 3B’s taller battery mount being the only difference.
And the 2 later versions of 3B frames offer no other real advantages.
Over the years 1949-1964 the changes are so few and subtle that all CJ-3A/B frames are essentially equal for useage.
That said when I scrutinize for fine detail nothing in my mind surpasses the quality of a 1949-1953 3A frame.

For the sake of argument I will say the CJ-5 frame is its equal or better.
In fact it does provide for longer length leaf springs than a flatfender frame.
Also it it uses what is likely a better frontal crossmember.
But here’s essentially my point.
While the CJ -5 frame can be forced into service under a 3A tub, it just does not fit right.
The body mountings will not align and the frame is longer at rear.
So if one simply must have the longer leaf’s of the CJ-5 then I suggest you cut off the 3A spring pivot and shackle brackets to relocate for longer leafs.
Me I simply don’t see enough advantage to longer leafs to consider hacking on the frames geometry.
In fact I come to find that I cannot increase the front spring travel due to choice of engine selection.
For me the point became moot.
Why put longer springs up front if you end up having to limit the stuffed travel anyway to avoid engine interference ?

A few comments on Metallurgy.
If I were building a vehicle of my own design and manufacture this topic would be of prime importance.
But this build is really about my accumulation of knowledge.
Specifically the knowledge of jeeps 1941-1986.
So for practicality’s sake I am using mostly all OEM assemblies and components and no choice is provided concerning what metal is best for any particular application.
Otherwise we might see a huge influx of exotics such as titanium, various grades of exotic steels like mangalloy, stainless steels, chrome molybdenum, aluminum. brass, you name it.
But in this case I am mainly concerned with tub/ body construction.
The realistic prefabricated possibilities are mild steel, stainless steel, aluminum, and yes even a custom ordered brass construction.
Mild steel can rust and so basically must be painted.
Proper grades of stainless basically will not rust.
Aluminum must be painted if near salt. Saves weight but notable less strength.
So it requires thick gauges to compensate.
In the end it saves little to no weight if you value durability.
Brass is actually an option for the ultra rich.
However brass is a notably “soft” metal and so heavy gauges will be required in order to minimize denting.
I simply opted for the Jewels stainless because I had long been entranced by their reputation and product durability.
Jewels had long ago ceased production.
While other Phillpine’s stainless tub manufacturers have since attempted, no one has trumped the Jewels reputation of quality.
Let me put it this way…..
I will never be concerned with the Jewels hood oil canning or buckling in strong headwinds at high speed.
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I'm fascinated by this thread, looking forward to more!
 
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