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Weird Things On Auction Jeep

Discussion in 'Intermediate CJ-5/6/7/8' started by Shootinok, Oct 29, 2018.

  1. Oct 29, 2018
    Shootinok

    Shootinok New Member

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    I won this jeep on an auction and introduced myself here on my first full day of ownership.
    It is registered as a 1969.
    I have no way to know the history of this thing but am learning so much being on here (thank you all) I've learned it is definitely not a '69.
    Seems unscrupulous for someone to change a vin tag - but here I am with one. Not unhappy at all with my purchase as I still think I got a good project starting point.

    So far I've had only a couple hours of daylight over the week to look it over but here are a few things I've found in the first week...

    Pan appears to be in good shape.
    shifter has an awesome mod.
    [​IMG]

    Dana 44 on the back - Dana 30 front - open knuckles
    [​IMG]

    Starts and seems to run fine - little smoke but not sure it oil. Smells rich
    [​IMG]

    Now for the weird stuff ----

    Drivers side doesn't say Jeep. Inside and the panel looks intact and original (not patched)
    Fuel filler hole is filled in and screwed in with sheet metal screws.
    [​IMG]

    There is a fuel tank in the back that appears to go through the floor and the fuel filler is behind the spare tire.

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Have a feeling this could become a very interesting endeavor
     
  2. Oct 29, 2018
    Twin2

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    if you don't have problem with registration . 72-75 has a lot of stuff the early's would get over time
    4th picture looks like a good start
    new stock tank would be on my list
     
  3. Oct 29, 2018
    FinoCJ

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    As your intro thread suggests - it looks like mostly an intermediate...but may be a bit of a hodgepodge. Might even have a later 76+ winshield (one of the pics in the intro looks like it is laid back a bit more - could be wrong - would only be an issue if you start looking for a top for it). Maybe someone took an early tub with VIN and fit it on the intermediate frame behind the intermediate front end? If the drive side under seat fuel filler opening was at one time present - then more likely an early tub? picture of the backend/tailgate might be helpful

    Get the fuel tank etc figured out - could go with a rear tank under the bed and between the frame rails (standard 15 gal for intermediate and later cjs) - or could go with an under seat 10 gal tank like an early. Underseat set-up might be easier to instal, but the rear 15 gal should be okay on the intermediate frame. Then get it running and driving...and stopping. The hanging pedals, D30 front with 11 inch drums, saginaw steering, quiet D20 with flanged centered D44 are all good pieces.
     
  4. Oct 29, 2018
    Chilly

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    Early tub since it had filler by drivers door, and provisions to locate tank under the seat. Intermediate winsdhield and front clip. Intermediate chassis, engine, driveline.

    Nothing unscrupulous about it, so far as I'm concerned. Unless someone plays games with titles for purpose of covering up a theft or defrauding a buyer then there is no victim. If the Jeep's legit, you must aquit.
     
  5. Oct 29, 2018
    Sierra Bum

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    Early tub....that would indeed explain why it has a 69' title for what is otherwise an intermediate year cj5. In some places people do that sort of thing to circumvent emissions laws (although around here the intermediate years are still exempt). If the numbers match the title and the DMV official rubber stamps it, you're good.

    The gas tank and a floor repair will be easy to sort out. You could even install one underneath in the rear and one under the drivers seat...
     
  6. Oct 29, 2018
    timgr

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    Looks most like an intermediate. The inline 6 is 1972 or newer. About the only thing I see like a '69 is the windshield. It's the bottom mounted wiper type with the motor on the outside and the earlier rectangular glass. Dash could be a '69 but I'd say '72 if I hadn't read the above. A hole for an under-seat tank suggests an earlier tub, but the under-seat tank was a common owner-mod in that era. If the tank was there originally, there would be a filler neck recess welded in to the body. A plate screwed in sounds like an owner modification. Solid back panel is either a '71 or newer Renegade model, or a '73 or newer (available optionally starting in 1973).

    More and larger pictures would help. 640x480 or 800x600 are good sizes for pictures.

    Is there a VIN tag? Title swaps are not legal, but show up occasionally.
     
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  7. Oct 29, 2018
    Shootinok

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    There is a Kaiser vin tag but its screwed on with 4 Philips screws. pics I see of them are riveted. Tells me it was swapped.
    There is no tail gate.

    Casting number on the block indicates it's a 232.
     
  8. Oct 29, 2018
    timgr

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    Nothing wrong with the 232. It was the standard engine '72-78(?) ... likely a Borg-Warner T-14 transmission and a Dana 20 transfer case. There is a 1974 TSM here Jeep® Parts Manuals online that you may find useful.

    There should be a build date stamped into a little platform on the side of the block. That may tell you something.

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    "A" is a 1V 258, and "E" is a 232. This says Sept 18, 1976 (03 == 1976).
     
  9. Oct 29, 2018
    Walt Couch

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    That is pretty normal for many jeeps.
     
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  10. Oct 29, 2018
    Shootinok

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    Thanks so much timgr !!
    Soo... according to the AMC engine build code I found online, mine must be a 258 built on September 27, 1971 - making it probably a 1972 model.

    The plot thickens
     
  11. Oct 29, 2018
    timgr

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    That would match with the dash.
     
  12. Oct 29, 2018
    Sierra Bum

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    Looked back your intro thread pic. The Jeep lettering on the passenger side of the tub looks amc intermediate to me.
    Tim??
    I bet someone just switched the vin tag on that.
     
  13. Oct 30, 2018
    Daryl

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    I don't see a single part that wouldn't have come on a 72 so go with it. The intermediates were probably the best universal Jeep ever made.
     
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  14. Oct 30, 2018
    sterlclan

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    Love my intermediate. If registration isn’t an issue leave it titled as is.
     
  15. Nov 9, 2019
    Shootinok

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    So I'm a little slow getting things going on this baby.
    My plan when I got it was to strip her down to the frame and start putting everything back to new.
    Well....I haven't even got to break anything yet, so why be in a hurry to start fixin things?

    Thanks to y'all on here, I'm thinking I'll get to know this old jeep slowly.

    After sitting for a year, the boys decided they wanted to use it for a "recovery vehicle" for a rally they were planning on running in.
    It was time to see how this thing ran.
    The battery was toast and when I pulled it if found a unique tray holding it.

    [​IMG]

    New battery installed and I fired it up. The old girl runs pretty good but I had something leaking under the transmission. I reached between the trans and the skid plate and found a hose. As i felt around it for leaks it just fell apart in my hand and gas started pouring all over.
    o_O

    New fuel line from the weird tank to the fuel pump and I was back in business.
     
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  16. Nov 9, 2019
    Shootinok

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    Now the wiring on this baby is a mess. almost nothing electrical works, and what does is really weird. There is a brown wire attached to a 4 prong plug near the alternator that goes to the master cylinder then a single yellow wire from there to the tail lights (which are trailer lights). So it sort of has break lights. No signals or running lights. Problem though, after running for a few minutes this wire must have gotten hot as it was smoking under the master cylinder :confused:
    Light switch was toast.
    I ordered a new light switch and break light switch for master cylinder as it was leaking fluid and that's what was smoking (great way to start a fire).
    The next weekend I put her on the lift and looked over the underside. Things under there look pretty good. [​IMG]

    I installed the new light switches to find out only one headlight works. Oh well, I'll just add some lights for the weekend offroading.
    [​IMG]
     
  17. Nov 9, 2019
    Shootinok

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    The day before the boys wanted to take it, I saw a really good deal on a winch on CL so I grabbed it. Now to get a winch installed in an evening...
    The mini bull bar thing on the front was too short for the winch to fit under so I had to raise it up. Didn't have any round stock but had a piece of square from a trailer receiver so I used it. For now form will follow function. I had to get the registration updated so I drove to the DMV for them to do a vin verification. One of the headlight bezels fell off when I drove over a RR track.

    Winch works great, tagged, ready to flat tow to the rally and play.
    [​IMG]
     
  18. Nov 9, 2019
    Walt Couch

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    Looks like it's raring to go. Welcome from Ga.
     
  19. Nov 9, 2019
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Looks to me like a (mostly) M38A1 tub.
     
  20. Nov 9, 2019
    Alan28

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    Welcome from France (y)
     

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