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unstable driving... all over the place! scarry

Discussion in 'Intermediate CJ-5/6/7/8' started by pauldana, Apr 14, 2009.

  1. Jan 15, 2010
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    http://www.mountainoffroad.com/Catalog/SteerBrace/steering-brace-jeep.htm

    States 76 - 86 CJs. You may need to inquire about your 72. The difference may be the open vs boxed frame. Fit may depend on if your framerail is or is not boxed opposite the steering box. If it's not, you could weld in a plate.

    The winch plate will hold the framerails parallel, keep one from flexing. This brace will help if you have big tires, it will keep the box from trying to pull off the framerail.
     
  2. Jan 15, 2010
    hudsonhawk

    hudsonhawk Well-Known Member

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    that is exactly the difference. Those are built for the boxed 76+. They would have to be modified to work with the 72.

    Pauldana, Do you have the 1 piece cast steering box mount or the cheap 2 piece stamped metal backets? The cheap 2-piece mount is the one that is known for allowing the steering box to move. The cast one piece that is on my 5 is rock solid.
     
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  3. Jan 15, 2010
    timgr

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    All the '72-75 CJ models used the cast bracket. The later welded bracket won't fit.

    True, the cast bracket is solid, but it too breaks - BTDT. I speculate it may also be rigid enough to make the frame crack.
     
  4. Jan 15, 2010
    hudsonhawk

    hudsonhawk Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, had to weld some frame cracks on mine. This is one place where the winch plate helps. It keeps the frame from flexing as much and redues the stress that causes the cracks.
     
  5. Jan 16, 2010
    pauldana

    pauldana pauldana

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    1 piece cast.... having a brace welded on as well, attaching both front left and right spring/frame perch to each other, will post pic when done Tuesday... and will get the winch plate on in about 2 weeks... will report on change... p
     
  6. Jan 16, 2010
    msarge

    msarge In Progress 1974 CJ5

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    I'm interested in how connecting the perches together works as well! That is one of the "upgrades" I was planning on doing. I do have the factory rame connector but I haven't checked for cracks. Where will they be? I did the shackle reversal and with the tires on the ground and no motor in I was still able to see the welded solid spring perches flex! I haven't driven it for testing though.....as you can see by my avatar I'm getting close though. Need to paint bumper and body to get finished.
     
  7. Apr 24, 2010
    cjjunkie

    cjjunkie Tetanis jeep

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    Thanks to all who lent their knowledge to this post

    I have been on the fence about cutting my losses with the jeep, sunk a couple grand into it making it run awesome and pretty much replacing everything replaceable apart from the body (next round of funds) but i couldnt shake the odd jeep and i dont want to go in the same direction issue. it was even worse in the snow, which is bad being the plow jeep. after all the steering components were replaced, still plagued. figured what the hell, it would only be a small chunk out of the wallet i would lose if it didnt work. first step, angle finder... bought the shims and some new u bolts, and it's like a whole new jeep

    if it were to help all the people also at wits end the key factors other than replacing everything already were the fact that i swapped in a D30 from a 75, it was a mother to control at anything over about 30, and i think the key tipoff is the wheels not returning to center........ if this fits your bill try the shims. it's convinced me to keep the jeep.:beer:
     
  8. Apr 27, 2010
    pauldana

    pauldana pauldana

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    We got a little caught up in some other projects both on the jeep and the vett.... will have the new mount done in about 2-3 weeks...


    glad this thread helped.... i owned this 72 since new, so i went through a lot of 5h1t to get to this point..... got to be out of love.... anyway.. cool!:patriot::beer:
     
  9. Apr 28, 2010
    Rick

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    Would the addition of these shims now create a driveshaft angle situation for the front axle that would cause vibration? Being that the front and rear angles of the front shaft would be different.:?
    Rick
     
  10. Apr 28, 2010
    timgr

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    It does not improve the driveshaft angle, but it's typically not a problem on the front axle. The front axle shaft is quite a lot longer than the rear. plus the front driveshaft only turns with the hubs locked in, thus only having occasional use.

    Typically you only need a few additional degrees of tilt, and when it's right, it's back close to the factory spec. The lift will cause a larger angle at both ends, but the only way to deal with that and still have the Jeep driveable is to rotate the knuckles on the tubes.
     
  11. Apr 28, 2010
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Tim is right, of course. My experience a few years back involved swapping out a D27 under the '71, for a '74 D30 that I rebuilt.
    Got it all together, and if I went over 30 mph I couldn't keep it between the lines in my lane!

    Took it for alignment. The shop said it was a 1° positive. I came back to the forums, learned that spec was 5 to 7°. I had our machine shop make me some 5° steel shims. Installed them, and it was a world of difference. Could drive at 70 mph, tracking straight and true.

    This did not have any negative impact on the front driveline. It did tilt the front pinion down slightly... but the rig has been wheeled hard over the years since then, never had a front driveshaft or front axle issue. No vibes, no bind, no problem :)
     
  12. Apr 28, 2010
    Rick

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    That's good to hear. I was thinking that the typical Jeep wandering I have might be corrected with the shims as well. Just didn't want to introduce another problem.
     
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