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tractor enamel with a spray gun?

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by evanjm, Nov 16, 2006.

  1. Nov 16, 2006
    evanjm

    evanjm Yeah, it's got an F-head.

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    Does anyone know if you can use the Valspar Truck & Tractor Enamel (red can) from tractor supply with a gravity-fed spray gun off of a compressor?

    I recently painted my frame with the Tractor & Implement enamel using a brush and mixed in some of the enamel hardener and it came out so glossy and nice I was thinking of getting their Truck & Tractor enamel for doing the body tub of my CJ.

    Any thoughts?

    Thanks,
    Evan
     
  2. Nov 16, 2006
    grannyscj

    grannyscj Headed to the Yukon

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    Sure. Can should have instructions for thinning for spray. Other than that be sure to use a cannister type respirator and have plenty of ventilation (don't breathe the super glue).:v6:
     
  3. Nov 16, 2006
    timgr

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    It's worse than super glue. The hardener is isocyanate (a cyanide compound) and fairly dangerous. Use a respirator specifically for paint. Avoid contact with the paint or overspray with your skin or eyes. The pros use a full pressurized suit - covers everything - and a closed booth to spray this stuff. I would wear a full tyvek suit, hair cover, gloves and goggles at a minimum (plus the respirator). Some people can have an allergic reaction and may go into respiratory arrest.

    Makes the paint really hard though.
     
  4. Nov 16, 2006
    47v6

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    isocyanate is real bad stuff. when using this stuff you are supposed to have an outside air source. Thats if you shoot this stuff for a living. I worked at a place where my boss would get his blood checked twice a year to check the levels of this garbage in his system. its no joke. Use ALL the precautions stated and dont do it where your family can't breathe this stuff. There are "safer" alternatives as well. Where did you say youre getting this paint, sounds like i want some!
     
  5. Nov 16, 2006
    toolbox

    toolbox If you get bored, I've got the projects.

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    I found the same type paint (different brand--Van Sickle) at the local farm and ranch supply. I'm planning on using it on my frame, with the hardner. Won't be spraying though, I'm just going to brush it on. Still going to take the safety precautions. Can't beat it for the price...about $25 a gallon!
     
  6. Nov 16, 2006
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    FYI - from what I have heard the Van Sickle is the 'western' brand and the Valspar is the 'eastern' brand. That was talking to a retired paint guy here in the Springs.
     
  7. Nov 16, 2006
    w3srl

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    X2. :iagree:

    Ever heard of the 1984 Bhopal, India incident? A release of Methyl Isocyanate killed almost 4,000 people and seriously injured thousands more. Bad stuff indeed. :shock:
     
  8. Nov 16, 2006
    evanjm

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    Holy Toledo! I had no clue it was that bad!
     
  9. Nov 16, 2006
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    A trick the aforementioned painter told me was to paint it on with a sponge brush and use fine sanding to take the runs out. Said it looked as good as a spray job.

    Not sure if its safer to have the solids in the air or not though.
     
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    timgr

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    Everything I've read says that, once catalyzed (hard), it's completely safe.
     
  11. Nov 16, 2006
    evanjm

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    But it lasts a really long time and prevents rust pretty well too right?
     
  12. Nov 16, 2006
    kamel

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    Why not?

    I believe they call for thinning with Acetone.

    Use a good mask. I use a full face mask with replaceable filters by SAS.

    Those paint fumes bother my eyes too, hence the full face. I have an old pair of glasses that I took the temples off of and it works fine.

    Trim your beard, if you have one...
     
  13. Nov 16, 2006
    Rondog

    Rondog just hangin' out

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    I painted a bike many years ago with Imron and didn't use a mask (just a "quickie" paint job ya know), I thought I was gonna die! My lungs were f'd up for years, and I think I still have breathing problems from that.
     
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    jayhawkclint

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    I've been messing around with this implement paint for a couple months now. I've been using all satin stuff, so this may not apply to guys wanting a gloss coat. Here's what I've found:

    Frame - On a freshly blasted or wire-wheeled frame, spray on a couple coats of sealer/surfacer, then use a 1.8mm nozzle and the paint at full strength with 1pint of hardener to the gallon. I've found that a siphon gun works best for this, although it's more awkard to shoot at crazy angles around the suspension and axles. You want to do relatively light coats. It will appear like you're "hazing" the paint when you spray it, but it will level out in a few minutes and blend itself in. When it's finished in this manner, the result is near OEM. .

    Body - I wanted to do my windshield in the satin black, but when I shot it as listed above, the finish turned out a hideous orange peel. I shot it again with the same results. I shot it with an HVLP, also with poor results. After experimenting quite a bit, I've found that using an HVLP with 1.4mm nozzle works good, but you have to reduce 2:1 with a good laquer thinner, mix it well in the pot, then add 1 pint of hardener to the gallon. You want to spray a "wet" coat and overlap by 50%. Don't go back and "haze" it.
     
  15. Jun 11, 2007
    willysnut

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    Stop it! Your making me want to paint over the OD with a nice coat of red TSC paint!!
     

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