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Picked Up A 71 And Have Questions

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by todd hofsaess, Nov 24, 2019.

  1. Nov 25, 2019
    timgr

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    AFAIK the special 999 Renegade colors were not available other than with the complete Renegade package. Of course, with Jeep I would not say "never" ... I would expect some faint indications of Renegade stripes if it were a genuine Renegade. The stripes are vinyl or something like that, and the paint under them should be less faded, so I would expect faint indications of the stripes even though the stripes were gone now. There are other features that come along with the Renegade package, like the oil pressure and ammeter gauges.
     
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  2. Nov 26, 2019
    todd hofsaess

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    I can’t say I can see any remnants of stripes or difference in paint fade I’ll have to really look closer
     
  3. Nov 26, 2019
    colojeepguy

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    If this is a 71 Renegade I with a 4 speed, it's truly a rare find!
     
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  4. Nov 26, 2019
    Rubicloak

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    Todd, do you have a shot of the firewall just left of where the heater/fresh air blend box mounts on drivers side. specifically the wire bundle.
     
  5. Nov 26, 2019
    todd hofsaess

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    347C1DA9-0673-413A-BE9E-5808D8C1B498.jpeg B5061B19-29D4-49F6-B2F1-260F20BA8A74.jpeg Rubicloak, let me know if this is what your looking for
     
  6. Nov 26, 2019
    Twin2

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    looks like a field mouse . liked the orange wire better
     
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  7. Dec 1, 2019
    todd hofsaess

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    After doing more searching about renegades I now understand the question about the wire connections left of the heater box.
    Unfortunately, its a standard cj connection with 6 wires in and out. I also thought about the spare tire/boxes on the back and looked to see if there were any covered holes from a renegade tire carrier mount. There weren’t .
    I also cant see any hint of different paint fade where the hood stripes would have been either.
    So, all those point to regular cj.
    What it does have though are the two notched gauges left of the steering wheel, 999 paint/340 trim tag on firewall, folding passenger seat and 12/13 spring packs. Would all of these be options on a 71?
    I’m about ready to be done with the research and get down to working on it and enjoying it.
    One last question, I chased the mouse eaten wires through the firewall grommet and there is an (almost) hidden push start button just below and to the left of the steering wheel. Was that a factory option? I don't know the reason for it the key works fine. Based off the wiring it’s been there for quite a while. ABDD835A-D7AA-4B67-8079-F9B507CEA4EC.jpeg
    Thanks again for the thoughts
     
  8. Dec 1, 2019
    timgr

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    Since no one with a '71 has answered, it's not Jeep. PO (previous owner) mod. I don't know why there would be a starter button, unless the PO wanted to crank the engine with the key off (crank with no spark). Possible the PO wanted to build oil pressure before starting or prime the carburetor float bowl?

    Even though your Jeep is not a Renegade, it has rare and desirable attributes, most notably the color and being 4-speed equipped. :coffee:
     
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  9. Dec 5, 2019
    Rubicloak

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    Here you go Mike,it's still available but he reposted it
    JEEP KAISER, 60's-70's J Series/Wagoneer, early CJ5, NOS gas pedal | eBay
     
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  10. Dec 13, 2019
    willie2323

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    Since I bought my 71 new I thought I would look at my vin tag...its 3654xx so a little earlier than this one.
     
  11. Dec 13, 2019
    NCRenII

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    Key operated ignition / starter here. I feel careful inspection of the jeep may shed light on it's history.
    Once all the options are tallied up and notes taken as to if there was body to frame mount r&r I'd start looking at build dates of components.
    Perhaps there is a chance Kaiser was filling out orders or amc was starting production from in-stock pieces and parts as the company was transferred to amc?
     
  12. Dec 13, 2019
    sgogpn

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    The dead giveaway to a 70-71 Renegade tub is no tailgate. All of the promo pics from that era all show the spare mounted in the center of the rear. There was a channel on the inside across the top to help brace the spare tire mount. Mounting larger than stock tires to the mount tended to crack the sheet metal around the mount. I put a piece of angle iron across the back of mine to help spread the load of a 31x10.50 on mine years ago. Like a dummy I sold that Jeep years ago and now have another 71 project, with a Daunt and factory Jeep T18.
    Thats a nice Jeep you have there; congrats!

    FWIW,
    Mike
     
  13. Dec 13, 2019
    WYOMIKE

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    I am thinking that the reason for the push button was because of the same problem I had with my 71 and I know some other folks did also back then. As the key switch got old the contacts did not make good enough contact to send enough amps to the starter solenoid to pull it in. The solution was to add a push button to engage the sol. and the key just energizer the ign. system. Later on I replaced the key switch and could get rid of the push button. I think there must have been a bad batch of key switches at the factory for a while.

    Mike
     
  14. Dec 13, 2019
    colojeepguy

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    My 70 & my dad's 69 both have a pushbutton added.
     
  15. Dec 14, 2019
    todd hofsaess

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    Was thinking of removing it but like the idea of using it to build oil pressure before starting if it’s been sitting a while
     
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  16. Dec 14, 2019
    Norcal69

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    People think it’s weird that I don’t pump the gas pedal before cold starting my Jeep.
     
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  17. Dec 17, 2019
    fhoehle

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    Really nice Jeep you have there. Great find. In most situations that close ratio transmission is nicer than the wide ratio, 4 useable gears, not 3+1. Plus at 4 to 1, first is still plenty low for most Jeeping adventures. Great rust free find! Good luck with it!
     
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  18. Dec 18, 2019
    todd hofsaess

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    Looking forward to getting to work on it. So far have ordered tuneup parts and GL4 to freshen things up. Need to get some seals ordered for when I go through the front axle.
    Picked up an M38 a few years ago to teach the kids to drive a stick and learn some mechanics. Their getting attached to this one now as well.
     
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  19. Dec 20, 2019
    Rick Whitson

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    I put a toggle switch where your push button is, I turn it off and crank the motor until the oil light goes out, then turn it on and start it. The toggle switch is also an anti theft device, sorta.
     
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