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Odd-fire Intake On Even-fire 231?

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Buildflycrash, Aug 25, 2021.

  1. Aug 25, 2021
    Buildflycrash

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    Working down the list of challenges for an engine swap from my 5cyl Dauntless to an '81 231 even fire that I have in my garage.

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    stock 231 intake.
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    I'm wanting to use a Holly Sniper EFI and I have this aluminum intake that I'd like to use. Its a Holly street dominator intake.

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    This says odd-fire to me?
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    Is this a straight swap?
     
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    Norcal69

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    I'm almost positive that your aluminum intake is for an even fire. We have the same intake on Steve's even fire 231.
     
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    Rich M.

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    Youll have to check it out against the intake gasket but it should work. Those Holley intakes are a post oddfire thing. Theres a screwy first year of evenfires that had low port heads but 79- post were the taller ports. Firing order remains the same even/odd. Difference is in the crank journals.
    What will be the disposition of your iron intake ? :cool:
    Edit: i searched 701-r22 says 79 and up
     
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    Buildflycrash

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    This is what I was concerned about...
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    Norcal69

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    Firing order is the same no matter odd or even. The magic of the odd fire is the uneven firing angle thought the crankshaft rotation.
     
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    Yes, same firing order just a different or unevenly spaced, timing phase with the crank.
     
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    Buildflycrash

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    OK cool. I have an intake gasket set at home and I'll just try to bolt this on. Is there any reason I shouldn't use this? Is there a downside? Thanks
     
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    Buildflycrash

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    If this fits, I think it is just going on the shelf. Do you need it?
     
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    Rich M.

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    Ive been looking for an even fire factory intake. Id like to use the Holley Sniper 2gc injection on another project.
     
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    Norcal69

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    I wouldn’t hesitate to run it. You will need to plug the vent hole in the back of it.
     
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    colojeepguy

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    I ran the same intake on my 225 for years. Swapped it out for an Offy Dual Port because I thought it would give more low end power, but it didn't seem to make any difference.
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    FinoCJ

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    As has been said quite a few times already...but just to reiterate....the firing order is the same for odd and even fire...its just the unequal (odd) crank rotation between the spark fire....Much like Doug, I would have been worried the holley dominator intake was geared just a bit more towards higher rpm performance, not exactly off road low rpm usage....but maybe it doesn't really matter.
     
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    Buildflycrash

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    My search found my own topic from a couple years ago.

    I’m about to swap the Holly intake over to a Dauntless. Again concerned about the compatibility between the even and odd fire intake?

    Anyone else concerned?
     
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    colojeepguy

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    As I posted above, I ran one on my stock Dauntless for years. I've been thinking about a Qjet, so it may go back on there. :whistle:
     
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    FinoCJ

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    you gonna run it only on the front barrels?
     
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    Qjet's are good if set up correctly. I'm going to run one along with an Offy dual port, HEI, and a rv torque cam. Once all installed it's off to the rod shop and placed on a dyno for final tuning.
     
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    Warloch

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    The good smaller Q-Jets were a great swap. There was a specific model Mr C would look for that has escaped me over the years. The smaller CFM version was easier to tune and he could get the secondaries to kick in at a point.
     
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    Rich M.

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    You'll need an adapter the dual ports are square bore pattern. The Qjet is spread bore.
     
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