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Motor Oil Additives; A Good Idea? I'm Tempted.

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Blondi, Jul 10, 2020.

  1. Jul 10, 2020
    Blondi

    Blondi New Member

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    Hello folks,

    My girl is a '67 CJ5 with the original F-134 Hurricane. And yes, I'm still loving my 4 banger.

    After a long restoration period including the complete rebuild of the engine, the Jeep is so smooth, I'm in Nirvana.

    Gonna take a long road trip in a few days. Where I'll be heading is the Southern Mediterranean region of Turkey; lots of mountains, amazing scenery, turquoise water and ancient cities.
    All those are fine but I'm a little concerned about the hot weather, something that the Hurricane doesn't appreciate much. Im talking about driving/climbing on the mountain roads on 2nd gear, with a camp gear loaded Jeep; air temperature 30 celsius/86 fahrenheit

    My F-134 has never been so economical about the oil. I'm driving her daily in the very crowded city of Istanbul. She likes to consume some oil with gasoline (I'm running on LPG most of the time, something that makes my Jeep consume even more oil.) especially Im stuck in traffic and if I have to keep her at idle for some time. But I know these engines are known for that oil consumption thing and it's not a big issue for me to add oil at the end of a long Jeepin' day, or whenever the oil dipstick tells me to.

    However, a very knowledgeable friend about mechanics of mine who actually worked a lot more than I did during the engine rebuild process, suggested me to use this (below photo) oil additive when Im adding some oil next time on the road to Mediterranean. He says it will increase the viscosity of the oil and therefore the oil will keep its quality in greater heat, which will eventually decrease my Hurricane's oil consumption - in theory.

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    I never used any kind oil additives before in any of my vehicles. I never needed any either. I'm completely fine with adding oil after I wake up in my sleeping bag and while my eggs are cooking on my cast iron camping pan; you know...

    If someone else would have suggested me to use this product, I would deny him. Cause you know, I'm cool with adding oil, never had any issues about it and its good to show some interest to my girl. And I never let my girl run below the minimum oil level. But this time its someone I really trust and he said he's been doing this for his old cars for many years, including his old Willys CJ5. So he tucked this can of oil additive in under my armpit and said good luck. Hmm...

    I've read some comment on the internet telling that those kinda additives will stick to engine parts like a gulp and it will be so hard to clean them off later.

    Has anyone ever used these kinda additives? What do you think about that, any suggestions? Does it worth taking the risk. I know my next oil adding session is close...This product looks kinda cheap and ineffective to my eyes but hey, so do our old Willys' but hell they are not!
     
  2. Jul 10, 2020
    Ohiowrangler

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    Most late model motor oils have had the zinc and phosphate remove to protect your catalytic converters. Most late model engines have roller cams, so they don't need Z&P. If you are running a flat tappet cam shaft, you should run an additive. there are many companies that offer such additives, Lucas, GM EOS... There a mind boggling number of articles on the subject, I personally run Lucas in my flat tappet cam engines. Ron
     
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  3. Jul 10, 2020
    45es

    45es Member 2019 Sponsor

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    I have no suggestions regarding the oil. I do have a question about your trip. Will you be traveling in and through Izmir? Many, many years ago I lived in the Izmir region for a year and a half. Pictures would be appreciated.
     
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  4. Jul 11, 2020
    nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

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    First, welcome!
    My question would be what engine oil are you currently using?
     
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  5. Jul 11, 2020
    Alan28

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    I had discussed long ago with a business partner working in oil production, customers like NATO. He told me not to use the new oils for my Jeep.
    But an "old type' oil with additives for old engines maybe a good idea.
    A friend of mine, Lon long ago, had tested on his VW oil temp and oil pressure. He added adapted devices on the engine to check.
    And we he said :
    cheap oil are not going well in pressure when cold. When hot engine, they become again very fluid. No good.
    The idea is to keep always the engine at medium temp! :D:lol:
    NO GOOD
     
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  6. Jul 11, 2020
    fhoehle

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    How about using a heavier weight oil instead. Like a diesel rated 15w40? That way you have the Zinc you need and the viscosity you want.
     
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  7. Jul 11, 2020
    willie2323

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    Hello,
    I like Ed share an experience of driving my jeep in the Med and Red Sea areas in 1978. Well over 120 F when there and used Penzoil 30W with no adverse results. Would love to share and see pics as well.
    Take care and happy Jeeping.
     
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  8. Jul 11, 2020
    Blondi

    Blondi New Member

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    Thanks a lot for the interest everyone, I really appreciate it;

    As I mentioned before, I never had any complaints about adding about a quarts of oil in every 100-200kms. That's a F-134 thing.
    I just want to make sure my engine runs healthy for a long time, I want to live with the Hurricane as long as possible cause I believe those engines have now a moral value and the fact that you're still running on an engine that was first designed in late 1920's is kinda cool and soulful.
    I mean, they've seen everything, they've been everywhere...

    Im only considering to use this additive -or "motor oil ekonomizer" as they labeled it if it will actually protect the engine in the long run. I'm not after motor oil economy at all.

    (One advantage of the necessity of adding oil in every 200kms is you never actually have to do an major oil change cause you're basically adding fresh oil in every 2 weeks -thats my average.)

    It's a regular F-134 with everything new except the crankshaft (pistons, rings, valves etc) so I believe its a flat tappet type.

    Wow, it's surprising to hear that; and yes I'll be driving south through İzmir, we're probably gonna have our lunch there while the Jeep is taking a rest and trying to cool down with her hood open like below...
    #lifewithblondi:
    phpOmRzcOAM-1.jpg

    I'll be glad to share some photos and let you feel the nostalgia :beer: stay tuned!

    And Hello nickmill! I'm using this 20W50 engine oil (photo below). I prefer using a thicker engine oil in an old engine just like how fhoehle suggested, especially because the weather in my environment gets hot in summer and I'm running on LPG.
    It's not a fancy brand but it has been doing the job just fine for the last 5000kms in my Hurricane.

    phpo7etEhAM.jpg


    I was wondering if anyone had any problems related with an oil additive? Also, don't you think putting this "motor oil ekonomizer" additive will make the oil so heavier than needed, after all Im using 20W50 already?

    Again, Im not after oil economy, but protecting the engine in the long run. Do the internal parts of a Hurricane really need an oil additive or frequent oil changes/or adding oil frequently in my case will be enough?



    Sounds like you've got some good ole' Jeep stories to tell, thanks a lot for your wishes, really appreciated.:beer:
     

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  9. Jul 11, 2020
    dane71

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    Personally the only additives i would use would be for special uses
    a)when your choice of oil doesnt have enough zinc for older-design flat tappet cams
    b)when you have low compression and need to get by until a rebuild (me right now)

    For regular use my reasoning is that the oil already has additives in it that should be sufficient
     
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  10. Jul 11, 2020
    Alan28

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    Just to participate, souvenir of the Red Sea, 1977, near Aqaba, Jordan, I believe Wadi Rum desert at the back. I love life!
    Aqaba après la plongée.jpg
     
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  11. Jul 11, 2020
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Actually it's not :(

    Have you had a compression check or leak down test performed on your engine? There's something seriously wrong.
     
  12. Jul 12, 2020
    nickmil

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    I agree with Howard. When I ran an F-Head I never had oil consumption like that and my engine was fairly worn. Might check your PCV system and see if it is pulling oil out of the crankcase and burning it.
     
  13. Jul 13, 2020
    Steve's 70-5

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    When my engine is broke in I will be running a additive. Will also be putting additive in diffs,transmission and t case after break in
     
  14. Aug 1, 2020
    Blondi

    Blondi New Member

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    Hello once again,
    I've completed the Jeep trip in the Mediterranean - the first part of it- and I'm chilling under the sun most of the time these days.
    Why am I that chilled?
    Because the Jeep actually made it without any problems.
    Hooray!
    :clap:

    As you know I was considering adding some oil additives before the trip but it turned out that I never actually needed it. My Hurricane used to have an oil consumption issue but I just realized that the F134 is burning oil when I use the Jeep in the city -where I have to deal with lots of traffic lights and traffic jam.
    There has been a remarkable amount of blue smoke coming out during acceleration after a traffic light or if I kept the engine running at low rpm or idling for a long time. But once I keep driving the blue smoke ends. In this type of driving, my oil consumption was 1qts at every 150kms.

    However, during the roadtrip where I kept driving constantly without stopping at traffic lights etc, the Hurricane consumed only 1qts of oil in 800kms. So no need for any oil additives I guess.

    Thank you for the warning Howard, as far as I know the engine was tested for compression in the machine shop during rebuild, Hurricane ran around 5000kms since then. The motor works just fine, smoothly. I don't think there's a problem about the compression.

    One thing I noticed was there was some oil coming out from the spark plugs. Can it be considered ok, or does it show a problem? (Photo below.)

    phpoXj9vYAM.jpg

    I took one spark plug out to check the condition, the thread was covered in oil but the color of the electrode was was ok, couldn't see any evidence of oil on the electrode.

    Thank you for the suggestion as well nickmil.
    The air system on my Hurricane is not stock, there is a high flow aftermarket air filter attached to the carb and a small crankcase breather for the PCV. (Photo Below)
    phpg2E36JAM.jpg

    I found some oil inside the tube though. Is this ok or an evidence that something is wrong?

    php53t0xLAM.jpg

    There has been another problem going on with the Jeep, I recently started to have some misfiring. At first I thought it was a problem about the LPG/Propane system but she does the same even if I run on gasoline.
    Here are the symptoms.

    - It usually happens in the first 15 mins after the engine starts running.
    - No evidence of misfiring once the engine is warm enough - after driving constantly around 15 mins.
    - If I stop for traffic lights and let the engine idle for a while, it then starts to misfire again even if the engine is warm, once back driving on the road again, after a minute or two misfire disappears.

    I know I'm burning oil because I can see blue smoke after idling. But it disappears after acceleration, so seems to me it's a valve seal issue.

    My theory is that, the oil that gets into the combustion chamber from the valves and sticks onto the electrodes; this eventually leads misfiring. However as the engine starts running at higher rpms constantly, it burns that oil on the electrodes and basically get rid of that oil, so the spark ignites; misfire ends.

    What do you think? Your help has always been appreciated amigos cause as far as I know I'm the last man standing with a F-134 in my country and I want to keep this Jeep heritage as long as I can.:rofl:
     
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