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Inside Rear View Mirror Photos

Discussion in 'Early CJ-5 and CJ-6 Tech' started by 65CJ5 SRD, Sep 17, 2019.

  1. Sep 17, 2019
    65CJ5 SRD

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    Could anyone that has an early to mid 60's CJ5 with the original rear view mirror and bracket post a pic or 2? I did a search on the forum and found some info but most of the photos no longer come up. I'd like to get some idea of how these looked and were mounted originally. Thanks in advance!
     
  2. Sep 17, 2019
    maurywhurt

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    I believe the inside rear-view mirrors during this time frame and prior were optional.

    Here's an NOS example of this type with installation instructions, dated 1960:

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  3. Sep 17, 2019
    maurywhurt

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    This is the original rear view mirror on my '67 CJ-5 (manufactured in Aug 1966). My 1967 Jeep dealership salesmens' Data Book lists the inside rear view mirror as optional equipment. Evidently only the driver's outside rear view mirror was standard equipment at that time.

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    Photo of an NOS mirror of this later type showing the mounting bracket:

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  4. Sep 18, 2019
    Hellion

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    I suppose neither of the mirrors shown have any sort of day/night switch or tinting to counteract nighttime glare?

    Was that a luxury option in those days or was it not 'invented yet' ?
     
  5. Sep 18, 2019
    maurywhurt

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    The mirrors shown above did not have that feature, though it was evidently invented during the 1930s. I don't know when manual-tilt anti-glare type rear view mirrors first appeared in Jeeps, but here's what Wikipedia has to say about them (from Rear-view mirror - Wikipedia):


    Anti-glare

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    Glare from a following vehicle's headlamps in a rear view mirror (Prismatic anti-glare)

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    Day position / Night position

    In the "day" position, the driver sees the road behind by reflection on the (rear) metal surface. In the "night" position, the driver sees the dimmer reflection on the (front) glass coating. The light is attenuated in the second mode, which partially compensates the pupillary response.

    A prismatic rear-view mirror—sometimes called a "day/night mirror"—can be tilted to reduce the brightness and glare of lights, mostly for high-beam headlights of vehicles behind which would otherwise be reflected directly into the driver's eyes at night. This type of mirror is made of a piece of glass that is wedge-shaped in cross section—its front and rear surfaces are not parallel.

    On manual tilt versions, a tab is used to adjust the mirror between "day" and "night" positions. In the day view position, the front surface is tilted and the reflective back side gives a strong reflection. When the mirror is moved to the night view position, its reflecting rear surface is tilted out of line with the driver's view. This view is actually a reflection off the low-reflection front surface; only a much-reduced amount of light is reflected into the driver's eyes.

    "Manual tilt" day/night mirrors first began appearing in the 1930s and became standard equipment on most passenger cars and trucks by the early 1970s.
     
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  6. Sep 18, 2019
    Rick Whitson

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    I have two mirrors, one I had a new glass made for, one is original. The one I had replaced is a lot brighter than the stock one. The original is a lot darker than the one I had fixed, I used the original one as it seams "Right " for my Jeep. Not sure what the real difference is, but I like the old one better. Just Me I guess. My 64 Tux had a smaller mirror in it, the 66 Donor Jeep had a larger mirror in it, better rear vision.
     
  7. Sep 18, 2019
    65CJ5 SRD

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    This is one of the few photos in the other threads that would come up. I have a mirror with the same kind of bracket shown here. I had originally mounted it where your photo shows 2 screws in the top right. I was never happy with that as the mirror sits too high.

    My window frame has no holes located where yours is mounted, so I was thinking that was not correct but thanks to the photos in post #3 it looks like that's exactly where they were supposed to be. I had to replace the bolts holding the window frame hood latch and they are longer than normal. So for now I moved the mirror to one of those bolts and secured it there (you can see the screw threads of 2 screws coming through the plate to the right of your mirror and below the 2 upper screws at the top right). I'm going to try and come up with some mounting bracket that looks better there too. I really don't want to drill more holes into my original window frame if I can help it.

    I think I also have a mirror with the mount shown in post #4, and as I recall the holes in that did not match up with the holes at the top of the window frame so I chose not to use that one (been a long time so I'll have to see if I can find that and check it).

    Oh, the mirror I have on the original bracket does happen to be a day/night mirror, and it's wider than the original CJ5 mirrors. So it may have been replaced or the whole thing may be off another model of Jeep (my guess is it's from another model). Mirrors with the correct bracket (post #3) are really hard to find. I looked on ebay for months trying to locate something and the best I could do is what I finally wound up with. All those cheesy, so-called replacement mirrors with the little triangular mounting bracket are worthless (see attached thumbnail). They are NOT correct replacements.

    Below is a shot of where I have mine mounted for now.

    Thanks everyone, this has been very helpful. It's strange how they handled the inside rear view mirror. I'd guess it was optional at the time?

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  8. Sep 18, 2019
    timgr

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    This is a 979383, which according to my '74-80 book was used on some CJs through 1975. That number would indicate a late-ish Kaiser part, so it could have originated around 1966. Maybe something developed in the V6 updates? The kit above 671167 indicates a post-war origin, maybe really early but I'd guess before 1955.

    The 979383 was replaced by the modern plastic style with the plate that glues to the windshield in mid (?) 1975. My '73 had the above painted mirror, but both of my '75s (in '75 - the absolute tail end of CJ-6 production, one of the last two in Toledo - and current) got the plastic stick-on mirror. By 1980, the 979383 was superceded for replacement by the plastic stick-on mirror, so I'd assume the parts stock was all gone by then.
     
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    Glenn

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    This mirror bracket is the same as on my wagon, and I assume the mirror itself is too. There is also a small brace which attaches to the hole in the bracket. The flat part of the CJ windshield makes for a stronger mounting so obviously no extra bracket is needed.
     
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    Greevesman

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    My 65 is the same as Glenns. But there is only one hole in the windshield.
     
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    Glenn

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    With the correct location described as being left of center I assume that means the holes have to be drilled, correct?
     
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    V6CJ5

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    P1100744.JPG Here is a photo of ours, sorry if it is a bit hard to see.

    It is mounted on the frame of the window, with the mounting bolts attaching the both the mirror and hood hold down clip on the other side.
     
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    mirrorBrighter.jpg

    Maybe a little better.
     
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    V6CJ5

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    Hi TimGR,

    Thank you for adjusting the image!
     
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    Hellion

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    I don't know if the OP saw this other thread: http://www.earlycj5.com/xf_cj5/index.php?threads/original-rear-view-mirror-on-58.122941/

    ...[most of the pics are intact] but it seems to indicate that the triangular-bracket two-hole mirror mounts left of the centerline [like MauryWhurt's instruction paper] of the windshield and utilizes one of the bolts from the hood lock bracket. PeteL's mirror uses just one of those bolts/screws to hold the entire mirror and a good locking washer.

    I guess one screw suffices and has never come loose.
     
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    mickeykelley

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    According to instructions, yes you have to drill.


     
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    Glenn

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    Thanks Mickey! :)
     
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    mickeykelley

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    It's on my list to get mine mounted correctly. I've temporarily used the two holes in the center of the frame which were for the original top bow, as I understand. When mounted in these holes, it creates conflict with the tie down strap and you can't use the tight strap hole. I did notice this past weekend the windshield trying to raise at times when flat towing. So higher on the priority now.
     
  19. Sep 19, 2019
    Rick Whitson

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    I made up a plate to fit my mirror and welded it to my windshield frame so the bracket fit the studs without drilling new holes. I have as much work in my Re Popped windshield frame and wipers as I do in my whole Tub.
     
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    65CJ5 SRD

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    Here's what I wound up with. I used a 1 X 1/2 steel U channel from Home Depot. Hard part was cutting it off to length. I do not have machining tools so I used a reciprocating saw to do the cut for a piece 3" wide. Outer holes are 2" OC, and another hole dead center. Mirror left hole mounts to the hood hold down bolt on the left, right mirror hole uses the center hole with a 1/4 X 20 bolt the right size.

    I would have preferred it to be centered but I could not figure out a good way to do that with the spacing I had to work with. But the slight left alignment is a nod to how the originals were done! If you had good machining tools to use I suppose you could use a thick steel plate, chamfer the center hole on the back so the screw in the center would sit in flush with the back of the plate. However, the slight extra thickness of the U channel doesn't hurt anything plus it allowed room for the additional center bolt from behind.

    I'm OK with how it came out. No new holes drilled in the frame and it's very solid.

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