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Fhead 4 speed transmission options

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Don X, Feb 2, 2013.

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    Don X

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    I told myself I'm not taking my M38A1 over the Rubicon Trail again without a 4-speed. I also want to keep my f-head. Short of finding the uber-rare T98A, what other options are out there. I'm looking at some T18s but I'm finding the bearing retainer and input shafts may be an issue. Any recommendations?
     
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    timgr

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    Might be the best easiest way to go since the stock clutch linkage is reusable.

    Seems like a no brainer to me for ease of conversion
     
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    jasonjp62

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    Don,
    my next project is going to be a t 90a to a t90c conversion using the t90c Input shaft and Bottom Cluster. It will give you 3.34:1 first gear and a craw ratio of 44 vs your 36 you have now.

    http://www.earlycj5.net/forums/showthread.php?101567-T90A-to-T90C-Conversion

    Or a set of tera low gears for the t case?
     
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    Don X

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    NP435 looks intereting but the overall length after the adapter looks longer than the t18.
     
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    garage gnome

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    Don, I have a friend that has a T98 out of a CJ5 and I did some comparing to my T18. My T18 came out of a J truck with an I6. Both transmissions used the same adaptors, a 7/8" thick plate. If you can find one of those (transmission and adaptor), I think that may work. I do not recall if the input shafts were the same length. Whatever the T14 input shaft length is for a :v6:, that is how long mine is. I do remember that I thought it could work.
     
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    timgr

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    There are adapters that connect a T-90A or T-90C transmission to a GM bell, with a thin adapter, using the original input shaft. Now, the common Ford and GM bells are both the same depth... this suggests to me that the Ford T-18/T-19 or GM SM420/SM465 stickout is longer than the F134 T-90A/T-90C stickout. So you should be able to adapt a Ford T-18 to a F134 with some kind of adapter. The question would be whether the length would be sufficient for a plate that's thick enough and strong enough to join the bell to the transmission.

    For some reason, Novak chose to adapt the NP435 rather than the T-18 ... but if you could put the components on the shop floor side by side, you might be able to figure out something. It would help to be a machinist, or have some contacts that can do some machining.
     
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    timgr

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    Most Jeep manual transmissions from this era use the same bellhousing (Jeep PN 3215152). Exception: the CJs get their own bells starting in 1976. This common bell (which I call the T-15 bell) bolts to the front of a T-14 or T-15, and to an AMC engine. The bell is a little deeper than a Ford or GM bell (ca 7" vs ca 6"). The T-18 from a '72-75 CJ and the T-18 from a '70-79 258 J-truck or Wagon use the same adapter and bell and have the same stickout (though the gear ratios are different).

    I think the T-15 bell is going to be roughly an inch deeper than a F134 bell, going by the other adapters that are available. So I expect you'll have too much stickout with the 258 FSJ T-18, and you'll need to make another plate adapter.

    Still might be a good choice though, if you go the custom adapter route.
     
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    timgr

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    Yes, the Novak-adapted T-18 is shorter by 1.3" (12.9" vs 14.2"). I presume the Novak T-18 adapter is similar in length to the Jeep T-18 adapter.

    I would certainly make an effort to find a T-98. The NP435 swap will cost at least $1500 in parts, and you'll have to make your own floorboards. The T-98 has its own floorboards, which would be a much tidier installation. You could start with the usual contacts: Willystech parts board, J&W, all the Jeep forums.
     
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    Don X

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    Thanks, Nick. I missed that one.
     
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    garage gnome

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    I remember the two lengths were fairly close. But the adaptor I got with my T18 is 7/8" thick, which is the same thickness as my friends adaptor to go from a L/F head bell to a T98. I didn't have a straight edge to accurately measure the T98 input shaft, but by eyeballing it, it was close enough to where it might be a viable option.
     
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