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Dumb Master Cylinder Question

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by teletech, May 9, 2017.

  1. May 9, 2017
    teletech

    teletech Member

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    I pulled my master cylinder to rebuild it and in forcing it apart was unable to determine the order for reassembly.
    I checked my manual but as I have a single cylinder and the manual is for a system with a dual, it's not much help.
    I do plan to do some brake upgrades but want to drive the jeep for a couple months to get familiar with where I'm starting out and what I need.
    I got the old cylinder honed and a parts kit on the bench, if someone could just send me a pic or link to the assembly order, I'd appreciate it.

    1967 CJ-5 with the V6, it seems odd that it has a single circuit system. I do have an external cylinder that hooks up as part of a tow hitch. Was that a factory last-gasp before going to a dual system or did it get changed to facilitate towing back in the day?
     
  2. May 9, 2017
    Daryl

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    Didn't change until the Federal safety standards forced the change in 1969.
     
  3. May 9, 2017
    GeoffreyL

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    I've never rebuilt one, they are pretty cheap off the shelf, around $40 if I remember right. Food for thought if you give up.
     
  4. May 9, 2017
    haighfam

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    Just buy a replacement. Not worth the effort to rebuild at the cost, and too important to have fail.
     
  5. May 9, 2017
    teletech

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    I appreciate keeping things as original as I can conveniently manage.
    Regarding the importance of the system, I trust my assembly and inspection process far more than the low-wage worker or robot in China or Mexico.
    I've never had a failure in a cylinder I have rebuilt, but I have had to take a brand-new or bought rebuilt cylinder back to the store for a replacement.
     
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  6. May 9, 2017
    Bowbender

    Bowbender I'm workin' on it!

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    I have a working Master like yours that I will give you if you want it. I just replaced it with a dual cylinder recently. PM me and we can figure out details if you want it.
     
  7. May 9, 2017
    45es

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    Try this link for a picture of a single circuit master cylinder. Should answer your question. FWIW I would put a dual circuit master cylinder high on the priority list.

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  8. May 10, 2017
    nickmil

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    The mandate was actually enacted in 1967 but there was a grace period for those vehicles already in production or on the assembly line. Some '67's had dual some didn't.
     
  9. May 11, 2017
    teletech

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    I'm afraid this link is now a redirect notice and dead. Any chance of another, or general directions of how to get there?

    I am generally well-disposed to dual circuit systems as I had a total failure in my 1953 Dodge many years ago as well as my 1953 REO M45. OTOH, more recently I had a 56 Willys truck for a decade where the original brakes gave excellent service, though I would have changed to a dual system for piece of mind had I known such a conversion was as easy as I gather it now is.

    thanks,
     
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    45es

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    This picture should answer your question.

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  11. May 11, 2017
    teletech

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    Perfect, thanks much.
     
  12. May 21, 2017
    teletech

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    I got the cylinder rebuilt and installed. I found something interesting while bleeding the brakes though. The rear brake hose (from the body to axle) was completely blocked, this despite feeling and looking fine in terms of not being cracked or particularly hard. I wonder how many of us are suffering less-than-ideal braking as a result of partly blocked hoses.
    Needless to say, I've ordered replacements for the front hoses as well!
     
  13. May 22, 2017
    Rick Whitson

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    Is the duel master cylinder a direct bolt on, then just make up new brake lines?
     
  14. May 22, 2017
    Vanguard

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    The dual master cylinder requires drilling, adapters (depending on MC) and new brake lines. You may also need to fab or find a new MC pushrod.
     
  15. May 24, 2017
    teletech

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    I noticed Herm (the overdrive guy) has kits to do dual circuit conversions that include brackets and such.

     
  16. Jun 6, 2017
    Rick Whitson

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    Thanks for the reply. I will look into it.
     
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