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D27 Disc brake swap on my 71'

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by jzeber, Mar 18, 2006.

  1. Mar 18, 2006
    jzeber

    jzeber Well-Known Member 2022 Sponsor

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    OK,
    I just read the disc brake swap article in the Tech section and it got me thinking....could be bad.

    I am planning on installing a power lock in the 27 very soon and figure I might as well tackle the disc swap at the same time but of course I have a few questions.

    1. Should I get rid of the current pedal set up and go with hanging pedals?
    1a. How hard is it to change to hanging pedals?
    2. Reason for hanging pedals - do I have to run a power booster for the disc swap?
    3. What is involved with adding power booster?

    I'm sure there will be many more questions prior to actually doing this swap but I have to start somewhere.

    Thanks for any input!
     
  2. Mar 18, 2006
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    You do not have to have a power booster to run disk brakes.
    I don't and they stop fine.
    Hanging pedals are great but require the heater to be removed and a newer style added as the old heater is right where the pedal bracket would be. It takes a bit of time and a few swapped out parts to convert to hanging pedals anda brake booster.
     
  3. Mar 18, 2006
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    Convert to discs and fugettaboutit! ;)
     
  4. Mar 19, 2006
    Boyink

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    With the PowrLok install I'd be thinking about a saggy steering swap before power brakes...;) With manual steering up front and locked in you will feel it.

    I've done the hanging pedal swap on my CJ5, and plan to do it again on my 6. I was much less concerned about the stock heater than McRuff, probably because I live somewhere where a heater/defroster that actually works is preferable....;)

    Here's a writeup on the pedal swap, which along with 11" drums made for a great braking system. I only plan to add drilled drums to the mix on the CJ6 for better wet braking performance.
     
  5. Mar 19, 2006
    A Mandery

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    You do not have to switch to hanging pedals. I do think you need to upgrade the master cylinder if your 71 is not dual chamber. You have already read the stuff about residual valves. I added a remote booster (it is hung on a bracket behind the rear axle) but it was probably not necessary. I am currently planning a power steering conversion. The powerlocks like to go straight ahead. AM
     
  6. Mar 19, 2006
    jzeber

    jzeber Well-Known Member 2022 Sponsor

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    Thanks for the input, it already has power steering from PO. I changed the master cylinder and as I recall it is the dual res. type. I plan on looking for parts this week and going from there. Someone told me that without power booster it would be very hard to stop. It sounds like that is not the case.
    Interested in the remote set up. Can you mount one on the firewall?
    I will check out the write up on the hanging pedals. I am in Ca. and the Jeep currently does not have a heater so I am not too worried about that either. I did go on a snow run a few years back and I hafta tell you it was a bit cold driving home at 9:00 at night.
    Thanks again for the input and I am sure I will be back with more questions.
     
  7. Mar 19, 2006
    A Mandery

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    The remote unit I used is too big to mount on the firewall. It's a cylindrical structure about 2 ft long and about 1 ft in diameter. Its vacumn powered. an alternate place to mount it would be the bed of the Jeep but I did not want it there. You can see the thing on the Master power brake site. Don't buy it there (like I did) as it can be had for about $100 cheaper elsewhere. I am not sure the booster is mandatory for easy stopping. I had already bought the thing and many of the mods I have done just to see if I could do them. One big advantage of hanging pedals is the use of a firewall mounted booster
     
  8. Mar 20, 2006
    Posimoto

    Posimoto Hopeless JEEP Addict

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    I don't have a booster on my disc setup and it stops great. Maybe if you were running an automatic tranny it would be a little more necessary.
     
  9. Mar 20, 2006
    Boyink

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    FWIW I'm thinking about not installing the power setup when I do the brakes on SSDutch - but still plan on the hanging pedals, mostly because I have all the stuff. The brakes are so good with even the stock m/c, I'm sure I don't need the power booster and it's just one more thing to worry about with the loss of braking if the engine kills.
     
  10. Mar 20, 2006
    w3srl

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    Once you (finally) get all the air out of the front discs, they will put you through the windshield if you're not careful. (And that's with the floor-mounted pedals!) ;)
     
  11. Mar 20, 2006
    jzeber

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    Keeps sounding better and better. Nothing worse than wet drums when they finally dryout. I almost set my Jeep on it's nose after a long weekend of wet trails. We reached pavement and the driver side front was the 1st to dry. Talk about a scary experience.
     
  12. Mar 20, 2006
    A Mandery

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    I find that problem to be among the best reasons to go disc. She stops straight and tru. AM
     
  13. Mar 20, 2006
    Boyink

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    I have a set of brand new 11" drums just waiting to get drilled...should take care of that wet drum issue....;)
     
  14. Mar 20, 2006
    jzeber

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    Let's throw another fly in the ointment. I already have 11" brakes on the front from a 70 something CJ. Please tell me more about drilling the drums. I have access to a drill press and other assorted equipment.

    Thanks,
    Jeff
     
  15. Mar 20, 2006
    sparky

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    Jeff,
    Have you read this?
    http://www.earlycj5.com/tech/brakes/11InchSwap/11_swap_TommyB.shtml
     
  16. Mar 20, 2006
    jzeber

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    No I haven't seen that one yet. I just glanced but will take more time tomorrow.
    Do the holes make a big difference? I understand getting the water out as quickly as possible but do they also disipate heat and allow more air in to dry quicker?
     
  17. Mar 21, 2006
    lynn

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    Jeff, the drilled 11" drums will give you disc-like performance, wet or dry. I drilled mine a few years back, and some of the other guys here have as well. When wet, no worry about not being able to stop after a deep crossing.... you've got brakes!! They also dry quickly, and don't pull like a wet-but-drying 10" set... :shock:
    The drilled drums work almost as well wet as they do dry.
    And dry, they work excellent! The holes dissipate the gasses that build up between the shoe and the drum, so you eliminate "brake fade" on long steep downhill. The holes should help in cooling as well, more surface area exposed to air, at a minimum... the holes may help with cooling in other ways as well.
    There is no negative effect that I can see on my shoe wear. Be sure to deburr the inside of each hole of course.
    This is the site where we got the idea and info:
    http://www.chtopping.com/CustomRod4/

    Also, search the tech forum here for drilled drums, there's lots of info.
    HTH!!
     
  18. Mar 23, 2006
    jzeber

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    I'm going to try drilling my drums, I figure what do I have to lose. I'm thinking maybe 3/16 holes though. Thanks for all of the info on this and the disc conversion.
    If I am not satisfied with the drilled drums I'll try the disc conversion.
     
  19. Mar 24, 2006
    lynn

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    Be sure to keep your holes equidistant around the circumference to maintain the balance of the drum.

    Keep us updated with reports and pics as you drill your drums!!
     
  20. Nov 2, 2006
    jzeber

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    OK,
    Finally finished the disc brake swap. Many thanks to this board and the great write up in the Tech section. All I have left is to remove the residual pressure valve and get the Wildwood unit. My question: Where exactly is the residual pressure valve? I have a dual MC set up frame mounted Tonight I removed the brake line from the MC and then took off the big nut attached to the MC. I felt something like a diaphram in the hole. Is that what I remove?

    Thanks again for all of the great technical help!
     
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