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curtcanada's 1970 Renegade 1 Resto-Mod Build Post

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by curtcanada, May 6, 2011.

  1. Sep 2, 2013
    curtcanada

    curtcanada L, L, and the POH!

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    Those were a Craigslist find, out of Montana, about 3 or 4 years ago. They were tough to find!
     
  2. Sep 5, 2013
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    Curt I see a lot of frustration in your battles, let me offer a bit of advice - one thing I have learned over the years is to design stuff to be pulled off out of the way easy - focus for me is the drive train and tub. Everything has plugs where it crosses from the frame to the body, or engine and from the drive train to anything else (or comes off easy).

    If you have to - go back and do this a bit at a time (as you need to do that stuff) and realize your making it a little tougher at first, but you will be thankful in the long run. Following this makes it eas(ier) to do major/and some minor upgrades (like MC). Example - I pulled the drive train from the '49 I built last year in @ 4 hours Sunday - by myself. My neighbor was shocked when I told him years go "I'll just pull the tub off" when I swapped the MC out on one of the kids rigs. Pulled it off, converted to 2 res MC, put it back together in a weekend.
     
  3. Sep 5, 2013
    curtcanada

    curtcanada L, L, and the POH!

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    I agree whole-heartedly Chuck. Plugs are necessary, and I should have just made them a part of the wiring project. I do plan to go back and install plugs as an after thought. Focus on access to the drivetrain makes sense when reassembling. I appreciate the words of advice, and will use them.
     
  4. Sep 6, 2013
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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  5. Sep 6, 2013
    curtcanada

    curtcanada L, L, and the POH!

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    That's a perfect kit! I didn't even know they made that. I figured on an indivudual connector for each wire. I like this better. Thank you.
     
  6. Sep 9, 2013
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    I separate them for function (ie. light vs ignition) as well, so I may end up with 2 connectors at the same place... Make sure to put different size ones together (even if it means a blank) so when you rebuild it, your 'help' does not plug the wrong set together and fry things.

    Just another FYI moment brought to you from having 3 boys :)
     
  7. Sep 9, 2013
    duffer

    duffer Rodent Power

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    Yes, those work but if you are really doing any wiring, the Delphi Weather Pack or Metri Pack are WAY cheaper at Waytek Wire. When I rewired my 3B a few years back, I changed all the connectors to Weatherpack. One place where I don't use a connector is on the firewall. My experience with firewall connectors is that they can be one royal pain in the a$$. Better to just group wires going to a specific device and put on the appropriate sized Weather Pack connector.
     
  8. Sep 9, 2013
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    Duffer, do you have a link to the others? These were the ones I found when searching the first time for a weather kit to use and have just kept with them.
     
  9. Sep 9, 2013
    curtcanada

    curtcanada L, L, and the POH!

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    Project71-5

    Project71-5 BACON

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    I used this kit from Amazon, it worked really well and the right crimping tool is an absolute must. I checked Waytek Wire, and while they do have great prices, I didn't find a complete kit with tools.
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DIIBCJ4/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    I assume he means a Weather Pack firewall connector:
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    I use 4 pin Weather Pack connectors at the firewall. Two go to the rear and two go up front. The engine is hardwired. It works pretty well if the tub needs to be removed.
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  11. Sep 10, 2013
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    Those look like the same. Personally, I hate the block firewall plugs. If I get a chance, I'll take pods of the one I have apart right now.
     
  12. Sep 22, 2013
    curtcanada

    curtcanada L, L, and the POH!

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    Stopped whining, and started workin' :) Decided to forego the power steering for now. Got Herm's replacement MC installed. Fits great! I opted to reuse the original bracket, it only required slightly enlarging the MC mounting holes. The replacement bracket would have needed a slight shave along the edge to butt up to the inside of the frame and line up the holes. Had to reuse a couple of the frame bolts, because the ones in the kit were too short. But, the MC tucked in nicely, and the pedal travel matched up, along with the plunger alignment. Now I just have to plumb some new brake lines, and the proportioning valve. Any suggestions on proportioning valve location?
     
  13. Oct 25, 2013
    curtcanada

    curtcanada L, L, and the POH!

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    MC plumbed, and decided to get new mufflers while I had it out. If you have a residual valve issue, does it take time for your pedal to rise back up? The reason I ask is because my brakes are not releasing on any of the hubs, but the pedal comes right back up. Based on post#9 from mdmeltdown from this thread http://www.earlycj5.net/forums/show...-releasing&highlight=front+disc+brake+caliper , I'm hoping my attempt at using the original one-piece push rod, with a washer behind the snap ring are impeding the fluid from returning to the MC. Won't be able to get to it until Sunday, to check.
     
  14. Oct 27, 2013
    curtcanada

    curtcanada L, L, and the POH!

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    Pulled the snap ring on the push rod, and the brakes released much better. They still rub a little, but I'm thinking some adjustment at the pads will fix it. Of coarse, I wasn't fully awake this morning, and the MC plunger went past the seal, when I pulled the snap ring, and the pedal feels spongy. Will probably need to re-bleed the system...GRRR! If this is the worst that happens, I'm happy!

    I want to confirm that the connections between the MC and the proportioning valve are correct. In other words, is the "standard" MC connection for the front brakes closest to the push rod? This is an MC setup from Herm (with the correct residual valves already in place), so I'm not flipping the connections between the front and rear brakes.
     
  15. Oct 27, 2013
    curtcanada

    curtcanada L, L, and the POH!

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    Here's some updated pictures:

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    Muffler

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    Mag

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  16. Oct 27, 2013
    piffey263

    piffey263 Active Member

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    Jeep looks great,

    any update on your brake situation?

    what did you do for you rock sliders? I reread threw your build but don't see them mentioned anywhere.
     
  17. Oct 28, 2013
    curtcanada

    curtcanada L, L, and the POH!

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    Nothing yet on the brakes. My assumption that disc brakes were adjustable seems incorrect from Googling around. I'm going to have to jack it up, and inspect the pads. I probably won't get to it for a couple of weeks. I ordered an adjustable push rod from Speedway Motors http://www.speedwaymotors.com/SSBC-A1726-Universal-Adjustable-Master-Cylinder-Pushrod-Kit,50351.html.

    The rock guards were harvested off a junk yard Jeep. They're 1/4" thick steel. No names stamped into them, but it would take a hefty brake to bend 1/4"!
     
  18. Oct 28, 2013
    piffey263

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    Well I hope the adjustable push rod works for you.

    I had an issue when I swapped my single reservoir master cylinder for an omix single reservoir master and brakes worked but not well. Long story short, bad brakes down big hill is scary. Turns out I had to adjust push rod.. It is amazing what the wrong push rod length can do.

    Thanks for info about the rocker guards
     
  19. Nov 16, 2013
    curtcanada

    curtcanada L, L, and the POH!

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    Well, I had to cut about a 1/4" off the threads, and the push rod fit beautifully. Pedal comes up to within an 1/8" of the floor board, and strokes all the way down, without catching. Still not able to lock the brakes up. The pedal has more resistance (than before Herm's master cylinder replacement), but, not enough pressure is created to lock the brakes up. The pedal comes back up just fine.
     
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