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4.3 V6 Builder's Notes

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Texis, Mar 22, 2012.

  1. Mar 22, 2012
    Texis

    Texis Member

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    There always seems to be unending questions about the Chevy 4.3 V6. I have spent the past few months researching the 4.3 in an attempt to understand the many configurations of this engine's production run. This ain't no SBC without 2 cylinders! The little engines are excellent swap canidates, but there are some more desirable than others. There is VERY little information on line about the engines, a couple of good articles and from there you really have to dig deep!

    My project has headed for the dark side (350 SBC) so I won't be needing this chart as I dig around in scrap yards.

    I compiled this chart based on my research, maybe it will answer a few questions for some of you. Disclaimer: "All data should be verified"...LOL.

    Enjoy guys..


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  2. Mar 22, 2012
    Jw60

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    the pre-balance 4.3 can definitely use a short water pump and related accessories for better fitment
    I hope to contribute more once my 79 200 and 85 262 are gutted
    I'm gonna see if using the 200 crank will allow the use of sbc pistons, rods, bearings in the 4.3,
    add some vortec heads and a tin (sheet metal) intake. should be great cost per horsepower.

    fyi the 200 is not even fire and so the rod journals don't need to be different in thickness from the sbc as the even fire 4.3 does

    in the meanwhile I'll add some link:
    http://dezertdimes.com/2010/11/the-complete-guide-to-the-4-3-liter-gm-v6/

    most of the changes coincided with sbc changes...
    mehh it's still a sbc at heart
     
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  3. Mar 23, 2012
    Texis

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    I would be running a 4.3 except the one I picked up had a cracked block (#196) when I opened it up. I was trying to find out what block & parts I needed when I put the chart together....out of frustration. There is no 4.3 interchange manual that I could find??? When I discovered that you can have 2 indentical engines, from identical years, built in 2 different plants...and the parts may NOT interchange!! I folded up shop on my 4.3 project, the bits and pieces are headed to the recycler.

    BTW I have a new GM HP "tin" (aluminum) intake that I will not be using. Fortunatley it was the only thing I bought before I shifted gears.


    I do think they are neat engines, just do not have the interchangeability I am accustom to. I am just too spoiled to the SBC parts identifier... "fits all sbc engines 1955-1987" lol.
     
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  4. Mar 23, 2012
    Texis

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    Here's a cam shaft guide that I put together on the 4.3. This is used ful when looking for used roller shafts.


    OE Chevrolet Vehicle Camshafts (4.3 / 262cu)


    1987- ’91 VIN “Z”: The original roller cam used for the throttle body motor. It had a 1.380″ intake base circle, a 1.335˝ exhaust base circle, and a pretty mild grind.

    10088148
    14093686
    10214713
    10172776
    10144176

    Opens : -12 BTC/29 BBC
    Closes : 18 ABC/-14 ATC
    Duration : 179/195
    Opens : 14 BTC/57 BBC
    Closes : 58 ABC/25 ATC
    Duration : 252/282
    Cam Lift : .234/.256
    Gross Valve Lift : .351/.386 (w/ 1.6 rockers---.374/.411)
    Center Line C/L : 108/112
    Rocker Arm Ratio : 1.5/1.5
    Valve Lash Clearance : HYD/ROLLER

    ( Cross referenced from Mellings OE equipment guide)

    A E CLEVITE 154
    AVON CS-5243
    AVON CS-5243R
    BALKAMP/NAPA 229-1902
    CAMSHAFT MACHINE 315243
    CAMSHAFT MACHINE 315253
    DANA/CLEVITE 229-1902
    ELGIN E-1600-S
    ELGIN E-1686-S
    ENGINE POWER COMPONENT EPC-4602A
    ENGINETECH ES783
    EPWI MC1026
    GENERAL MOTORS 10088148
    GENERAL MOTORS 10144176
    GENERAL MOTORS 10172776
    GENERAL MOTORS 10214713
    GENERAL MOTORS 14093686
    MUSKEGON MC-1026
    SEALED POWER/FEDERAL MOG CS-783
    TRW TM814
    TRW TM853
    WOLVERINE CS-697
    WOLVERINE CS-894


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    1990-’91 VIN “B” WITHOUT BALANCE SHAFT: The H.O. motor. Reported in Astro & Safari vans??
    *No Mellings cross reference guide applications other than Mercury Marine.

    10055487
    14096233

    Opens : 7 ATC/41 BBC
    Closes : 29 ABC/8 BTC
    Duration : 202/213
    Opens : 21 BTC/70 BBC
    Closes : 70 ABC/34 ATC
    Duration : 271/284
    Cam Lift : .269/.276
    Gross Valve Lift : .404/.414 (w/ 1.6 rockers---.431/.441)
    Center Line C/L : 108/116
    Rocker Arm Ratio : 1.5/1.5
    Valve Lash Clearance : HYD./ROLLER

    ( Cross referenced from Mellings OE equipment guide)

    A E CLEVITE 153
    A E CLEVITE 505
    AVON CS-5244R
    BALKAMP/NAPA 229-1881
    CAMSHAFT MACHINE 315244
    DANA/CLEVITE 229-1881
    ELGIN E-1033-P
    ENGINE POWER COMPONENT EPC-2776Z1
    GENERAL MOTORS 10055487
    GENERAL MOTORS 14096233
    SEALED POWER/FEDERAL MOG CS-1051M
    WOLVERINE WG-1182


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    1992-’94 VIN “Z” WITHOUT BALANCE SHAFT: The specs for this cam were comparable to the earlier VIN “Z” cams, but the base circle on both the intake and exhaust was reduced to 1.260˝.

    10088148
    10144176
    10172776
    10214713
    14093686

    Opens : -12 BTC/29 BBC
    Closes : 18 ABC/-14 ATC
    Duration : 179/195
    Opens : 14 BTC/57 BBC
    Closes : 58 ABC/25 ATC
    Duration : 252/282
    Cam Lift : .234/.256
    Gross Valve Lift : .351/.386 (w/ 1.6 rockets---.374/.411)
    Center Line C/L : 108/112
    Rocker Arm Ratio : 1.5/1.5
    Valve Lash Clearance : HYD/ROLLER

    (Cross referenced from Mellings OE equipment guide)

    A E CLEVITE 154
    AVON CS-5243
    AVON CS-5243R
    BALKAMP/NAPA 229-1902
    CAMSHAFT MACHINE 315243
    CAMSHAFT MACHINE 315253
    DANA/CLEVITE 229-1902
    ELGIN E-1600-S
    ELGIN E-1686-S
    ENGINE POWER COMPONENT EPC-4602A
    ENGINETECH ES783
    EPWI MC1026
    GENERAL MOTORS 10088148
    GENERAL MOTORS 10144176
    GENERAL MOTORS 10172776
    GENERAL MOTORS 10214713
    GENERAL MOTORS 14093686
    MUSKEGON MC-1026
    SEALED POWER/FEDERAL MOG CS-783
    TRW TM814
    TRW TM853
    WOLVERINE CS-697
    WOLVERINE CS-894

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    1993-’95 VIN “Z” WITH BALANCE SHAFT: The specs on this cam were similar to the ones used in the VIN “Z” without a balance shaft, but a snout was added for the balancer drive gear.

    10144065

    Opens : 17 BTC/30 BBC
    Closes : 20 ABC/-17 ATC
    Duration : 183/193
    Opens : 16 BTC/62 BBC
    Closes : 58 ABC/22 ATC
    Duration : 254/264
    Cam Lift : .251/.268
    Gross Valve Lift : .376/.402 (w/ 1.6 rockers---.401/.428)
    Center Line C/L : 108/114
    Rocker Arm Ratio : 1.5/1.5
    Valve Lash Clearance : HYD/ROLLER

    (Cross referenced from Mellings OE equipment guide)

    A E CLEVITE 1669
    ENGINE POWER COMPONENT EPC-4613B
    GENERAL MOTORS 10144065
    SEALED POWER/FEDERAL MOG CS-1538


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    1992-’95 VIN “W” WITH BALANCE SHAFT: The premium high output engine came with central fuel injection, a balance shaft and a better cam starting in ’92. They are comparable grinds so most rebuilders are interchanging them.

    10144047
    10241693

    Opens : -17 BTC/39 BBC
    Closes : 45 ABC/-11 ATC
    Duration : 208/208
    Opens : 13 BTC/70 BBC
    Closes : 84 ABC/24 ATC
    Duration : 277/274
    Cam Lift : .288/.293
    Gross Valve Lift : .432/.439 (w/ 1.6 rockers----.460/.468)
    Center Line C/L : 121/115
    Rocker Arm Ratio : 1.5/1.5
    Valve Lash Clearance : HYD/ROLLER

    (Cross referenced from Mellings OE equipment guide)

    A E CLEVITE 1668
    DANA/CLEVITE 229-2286
    ENGINE POWER COMPONENT EPC-4613A
    GENERAL MOTORS 10144047
    SEALED POWER/FEDERAL MOG CS-1537


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    1996-’98 VIN “X” WITH BALANCE SHAFT: The VIN “X” engine replaced the VIN “Z” in ’96. It is identical to the ’96 VIN “W” engine except for a milder cam and 10 less horsepower.

    10241692

    (No data available)

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    1996-’98 VIN “W” WITH BALANCE SHAFT: The VIN “W” engine has a 10541691 camshaft and makes 10 more horsepower than the VIN “X” engine. There is also a special roller cam for the VIN “Z” turbocharged engines (p/n 10214714)

    10214714

    (No data available)

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    GM Performance Parts (4.3 / 262cu)


    10051147
    Hydraulic Roller Tappet
    This hydraulic roller tappet is a V6, 90 degree version of L-79 small-block V8 cam for 4.3L even-fire engines. Use only with roller tappet block on engines without balance shift. The duration at lash point in degrees (intake/exhaust) is 318/318; duration at .050" tappet lift (intake/exhaust) is 222/222; and maximum lift with 1.5:1 rocker ratio (intake/exhaust) is 447/447. Lobe centerline is 114 degrees.

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    10051165
    Hydraulic Flat Tappet
    This hydraulic flat tappet is a V6, 90 degree version of L-79 small-block V8 cam for 4.3L even-fire engines. It has excellent power and torque, and is for engines without balance shift. The duration at lash point in degrees (intake/exhaust) is 320/320; duration at .050" tappet lift (intake/exhaust) is 222/222; and maximum lift with 1.5:1 rocker ratio (intake/exhaust) is 447/447. Lobe centerline is 114 degrees.

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    10134321
    Hydraulic Roller Tappet
    This hydraulic roller tappet is a high performance street and marine cam for 4.3L even-fire engines. Use only with roller tappet block on engines without balance shift. The duration at lash point in degrees (intake/exhaust) is 321/316; duration at .050" tappet lift (intake/exhaust) is 224/224; and maximum lift with 1.5:1 rocker ratio (intake/exhaust) is 450/460. Lobe centerline is 112 degrees.

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    6269733
    Hydraulic Flat Tappet
    This hydraulic flat tappet is a marine cam for 229ci V6 with 108-132 degree semi-even fire crankshaft. It's a good street performance cam. The duration at lash point in degrees (intake/exhaust) is 294/306; duration at .050" tappet lift (intake/exhaust) is 202/210; and maximum lift with 1.5:1 rocker ratio (intake/exhaust) is 410/410. Lobe centerline is 113 degrees.

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    Mercruiser Chevrolet Camshafts (4.3 / 262cu)

    Mercruiser 175/185/205/205 4.3LX (late with balance shaft)

    Marine Hydraulic Roller camshaft
    262 engine V6 4.3 liter chain drive, std rotation, Mercruiser 175/185/205/205 4.3LX

    GM 14097324 / MC 824327

    Opens : -7 BTC/41 BBC
    Closes : 29 ABC/-8 ATC
    Duration : 202/213
    Opens : 22 BTC/70 BBC
    Closes : 70 ABC/36 ATC
    Duration : 272/286
    Cam Lift : .269/.273
    Gross Valve Lift : .403/.409 (w/ 1.6 rocker--- .430/.436)
    Center Line C/L : 108/116
    Rocker Arm Ratio : 1.5/1.5
    Valve Lash Clearance : HYD/ROLLER

    (Cross referenced from Mellings OE equipment guide)

    ENGINE POWER COMPONENT EPC-4613E
    GENERAL MOTORS 14097324
    MERCURY MARINE 431-824327



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    Mercruiser 175/185/205/205 4.3LX (early without balance shaft)

    Hydraulic Roller camshaft
    262 engine V6 4.3 liter chain drive, std rotation, without balance shaft Mercruiser 175/185/205/205 4.3LX

    10055487
    14096233

    Opens : 7 ATC/41 BBC
    Closes : 29 ABC/8 BTC
    Duration : 202/213
    Opens : 21 BTC/70 BBC
    Closes : 70 ABC/34 ATC
    Duration : 271/284
    Cam Lift : .269/.276
    Gross Valve Lift : .404/.414 (w/ 1.6 rockets---.431 / .441)
    Center Line C/L : 108/116
    Rocker Arm Ratio : 1.5/1.5
    Valve Lash Clearance : HYD./ROLLER

    (Cross referenced from Mellings OE equipment guide)

    A E CLEVITE 153
    A E CLEVITE 505
    AVON CS-5244R
    BALKAMP/NAPA 229-1881
    CAMSHAFT MACHINE 315244
    DANA/CLEVITE 229-1881
    ELGIN E-1033-P
    ENGINE POWER COMPONENT EPC-2776Z1
    GENERAL MOTORS 10055487
    GENERAL MOTORS 14096233
    SEALED POWER/FEDERAL MOG CS-1051M
    WOLVERINE WG-1182


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    SOURCES:
    Mellings OE cross reference guide (also provides vehicle application reference)
    http://www.omnitek.co/mellingweb/Partdetails.aspx?Part=MC1275&From=C
    GM Performance Parts Direct
    http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/performance_parts/store/catalog/Category.jhtmlCATID=304.html
    Paul’s Place (Mercruiser camshaft specifications)
    http://www.pauls-place.com/products-chevy-marine-camshafts.asp
    Web article from Engine Builder Magazine by Doug Anderson
    http://www.enginebuildermag.com/Article/2427/rebuilding_the_new_chevy_262.aspx
     
  5. Mar 23, 2012
    chuck123wapati

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    wooo hooo thanks for the info guys I've had one of these things setting in my garage for about five years I paid a hundred bucks for it.
     
  6. Mar 23, 2012
    oddfirejeeper

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    all a 4.3 is is a 350 with the back two cylinders cut off. i think they share the same rods. that is what a friend of mine always said. it's just like the 231 it ran down the same line as the 350 (buick) they share lots of the same parts.
     
  7. Mar 23, 2012
    nickmil

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    Lots of parts do interchange but connecting rods are not one of them. The journal size of the crank is different, the width is different, and the rods are not offset like sbc. I learned this the hard way when building my old Race Jeep 4.3.


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  8. Mar 23, 2012
    Corveeper

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    The other day I was lamenting the failure of my water pump and having to replace it to Diesel Mechanic buddy and he was like, “Yea but how much is that, $20.” I said, “No! It’s $22.”
     
  9. Mar 23, 2012
    Texis

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    This is the common misconception, that I started with as well. I think this started because they do "look" like a short version of the SBC and the first 4.3s shared more parts with the SBC than later years. 1985-1988 are the closest. From 1988 on, they get farther and farther away from the SBC. The most common items may be the accessory mounting, starter, PS pump, etc.

    As Orge said, there are some common parts but not as many as most people think. I hope this info is helpful, because I REALLY struggled trying to find this type data anywhere!
     
  10. Mar 23, 2012
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    I have been collecting bits and pieces of info on the 4.3 as well and will see if I can get it in a form for this thread.

    I would really like to try one some day, but I keep collecting 231s and 225s. With the sucess of the PJIII FI I have now, the incentive has gone from the FI on it and is more of a 'I just want to do that' thing.

    Besides - I have a balanced and blue printed 231 to use next...
     
  11. Mar 23, 2012
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    Warloch

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  13. Mar 23, 2012
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    In 1995 there was an early and late version. Different balance shafts and different flywheels. Earlys had a 10 bolt cover and lates had a 6 bolt cover. See this on the early/late flywheel:http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/raframecatalog.php
    See this for 4.3 info:http://www.enginebuildermag.com/Article/2427/rebuilding_the_new_chevy_262.aspx
    The flywheel issue only applys to the S-10 pick up. Others had already switched to CSFI and the larger balance shaft. It depends on what it came out of what version it is from year to year.
     
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