Goofy wiring - your input please

Editing my first post as I didn't include enough detail on what I was looking for...sorry, it was the middle of the night and I just wanted to get it down.

Existing setup is not mine, it's the young man who used to own the jeep's. And no one can ask him what he was thinking, cuz he got himself killed rolling someone else's jeep.

I've been digging around and got it mostly figured.

I think I'm gonna end up with something about like what burnzee did, read his thread and see what you think, he made a nice diagram.

http://www.earlycj5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61307

Like him, I'm not trying to rewire the whole jeep back to factory, I just want what I have to be a little more right for what I have. It already works. I'm going system by system. Start/charge, headlights, tail lights, running lights. Then I'll start adding missing things like dimmer switch, T/S, horn, etc.

Here's what I have now.

10SI setup one wire BAT terminal to power distrib block on firewall yellow to voltmeter red to keyswitch red.

Keyswitch to Ford firewall mounted solenoid S term blue.

Nothing on I term on Ford sol.

Batt + 1-0 to starter main lug, also a wire to A term on Ford solenoid red.

B term on Ford sol to small upper right term on starter sol.

Black from main lug on starter to power distrib.

Coil gets green with firewall mounted ceramic resistor from keyswitch, not I term on Ford sol.

Chinckenscratch wiring diagram



So the Alt charges the batt by going to the firewall yellow and from there goes to the starter main lug via the black wire and to the batt thru the heavy 1-0 cable.

I think I could get rid of the Ford starter sol, couldn't I? Charge the battery directly with the wire from the A term and run the blue wire to the starter sol?





Black from power distrib, with batt cable. Red from Ford sol B term.

 

I'm also missing the hot start wire to the coil, no? Get it from the keyswitch or is that what the other term is for on the starter sol?

Also my VM picture is wrong. It's +/- .Juice travels in and on to the keyswitch on the + term, grnd on the - term.

Think I'm gonna set up the alt sensing wire "correctly" = to the distrib area, whatever that ends up being. Might even put an indicator light in and wire the 1 term to the IGN term on the keyswitch...right? Could I just run a jumper wire with a light or diode from + on the coil since they're right next to each other...?

 

The wire for the coil that bypasses the resistor is hooked-up to the S on the ignition switch. The positive from the alt goes direct to the battery. You can get rid of the firewall mounted solenoid. That is all I'm reasonably sure of. You would be better off getting rid of the terminal strips and fuses under the hood; move them into the cab if they can't be eliminated all together.

 

Patrick is right.. 60 per cent of that wiring is totally not needed. I would remove all the junk wiring from under the hood and start over and follow the standard wiring diag for a jeep. Man I don't know what the PO was thinking. Looks like he just kept adding wires until something happened. WAG on the whole thing. I have never seen one that bad, and I owned/operated an auto/truck electric shop.

 

I would just go here. http://www.earlycj5.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/CJ_With_F134.pdf It works

 

Thanks 47willys.

I know it's ugly and needs fixed, that's what I'm doing. I'm not a newby, I just have a couple questions cuz it's been years since I've fooled with engine starting/charging electrics. It's all apart and all over the place cuz I've already pulled a bunch of unused stock wiring out and traced down what all was where.

 

Except I have a V6, not a 134 which has a different starter and I have an alt, not a gen...

I'm not trying to rewire the whole jeep back to factory, I just want what I have to be a little more right. It already works. I'm going system by system. Start/charge, headlights, tail lights, running lights. Then I'll start adding missing things like dimmer switch, T/S, horn, etc.

 

If it was me, I'd get an EZ wiring kit for $115 off ebay and rewire. I'm finishing installing one in my 67 CJ5. It is complete with all the basics and extras too. Failing that, I'd do as you mentioned replacing one circuit at a time using your own wire and connectors. Wiringproducts.com has good supplies and ships really fast from Reno if you don't have a local source.. I'm sure you'll find all the information you need here on the net with a little searching.

 

There's a V6 diagram, too. Spend some time looking around the tech section; lots of useful stuff there. I used this same diagram on my '70. Had my HEEP running in an afternoon:
http://www.earlycj5.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/CJ_With_V6.pdf

I later ditched the external regulator in favor of a 10SI, but the diagram remains essentially the same.

I used the EZ 12 circuit. Works fine.

 

Your wiring confused the heck out of me but i kind of like your choke knob.

 

It's not mine, it's the young man who used to own the jeep's. And no one can ask him what he was thinking, cuz he got himself killed rolling someone else's jeep.

I think I'm gonna end up with something about like what burnzee did.

http://www.earlycj5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61307

 

Thank you Jayhawkclint

 

What's this unused term on the starter sol for? 12v hot start? Can't find anything on it.

Can't quite decide what I want to use for my main power distrib point. The starter, the firewall block or...?

Thanks.

EDIT: I am editing my first post in this thread for clarity.

 

That other small terminal should be marked "R" and it comes hot when in the crank mode only. That is where you install a wire from it to the + (positive) terminal on coil. Or you can attach it to the ballast resistor (if used) on the terminal that goes to the coil. That "R" terminal stands for RELAY which can be used for many things like turning on a warning light to indicate a start condition or many other such things..

 

Thank you, sir! :salute: