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Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by 1960willyscj5, Feb 4, 2008.

  1. Feb 4, 2008
    1960willyscj5

    1960willyscj5 Well-Known Member

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    I was reading up on superchargers.
    Kaiser supercharged the 226 that was in their Manhattan sedan.
    Since this is the same engine that was in the pickups and wagons of the 50's and early 60's did they also put the supercharger on these? In the Manhattan it increased the horsepower from 118 to 140 horses. That's a bunch. I'ld be willing to try some thing like that for my kaiser built f134. even 15 more horses would be an improvement as far as power goes.:?

    Any thoughts on this, or has any one tried it? It would mean an approximately 20% increase.:coffee:
     
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    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Food for Thought-

    http://www.earlycj5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49153&highlight=judson

    I've actually been thinking about this on & off, through a wierd coincidence I've spent my spare time for the last week or so doing some reverse engineering on the Judson, I think I've pretty much got a handle on the dimensions needed to build a copy that would handle a F-head & sourced the reqqired materials.

    Anyone wanna build me one?:twisted:


    H.
     
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    1960willyscj5

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    timgr

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    I have a couple of Dick Datson's books. Good stuff, but not very fancy - plain Xeroxed paper held together with staples. Write/e-mail to him directly for purchase.
     
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    1960willyscj5

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    Jmairz

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    8 lbs is a lot...has anyone done business with these guys? I have 4 mad squirrels that would love some more air but that price for that much boost almost sounds too good to be true.
     
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    1960willyscj5

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    Wonder that about the company myself. My 58 year old squirrels want let out once in a while, too.
    there is also this one, a bit more expensive:
    http://www.electricsupercharger.com/
    that might want looking into also. There may be others.

    A lot cheaper than going 2300 for some of those belt driven ones,ay?:coffee:
     
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    mb82

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    did you see how many amps are drawn by even the small one?
     
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    mrhp

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    You would need a Judson with the housing 10 inches long. Came on the Corvairs and a couple other cars.
     
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    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Based on my , admittedly rough, measurements & calculations I figured on needing 11" of rotor but that was based on a theoretical volumetric efficiency of 100%.

    From my calculations the casing has a 3.75" ID, the rotor is 3", max volume on the inlet side is about 2 cubic inches per inch of length.

    I'd like to have a crack at duplicating one, the only really involved part I can see is machining the slots for the vanes, they're almost 2" deep but only 3/16 wide, I wouldn't have a clue about how to go about doing a decent job of cutting them.:rofl:

    H.
     
  12. Feb 5, 2008
    1960willyscj5

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    12. Does the e-Ram put a large drain on the alternator?

    Answer: No, the max current draw is 60 amps for the e-RAM, and 120 amps for the Super e-RAM. This is as much as a high powered stereo, headlights, electric radiator cooling fan, or the starter motor on your car. Most car batteries with over 200 cold-cranking amps can handle draws of over 100 amps while the engine is running with no problems. We have even tested the e-RAM and Super e-RAM on motorcycle electrical systems with no problems. The e-RAM generates up to 15 hp gain from drawing over 1hp (831watts) directly from the battery. This has been verified on the dyno and with Volt Meters and Amp Meters. Charging systems work base on voltage drop of the battery, so the burden of the current draw really depends on the condition of your battery. Most batteries in good condition see very little voltage drop for short duration current draws of 60 or 120 amps for 10 to 15 seconds (full-throttle operation of e-RAM).


    For the thorton model it seems to be between 800 watts and 1100 watts.
    Thats 58 amps to 81 amps at 13.6 volts, if my math is right.R)
     
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    timgr

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    Yep. Another alternative is a CO2 powered blower. You can also inflate your tires with the CO2 bottle 8)

    Datson and the 'Gator site had a Yahoo discussion board for this ... you might take a look. IIRC they were working on retrofitting a turbo from a Dodge (what's that sporty convertible model?) as a supercharger. If you are handy with electricity and motors, you could maybe use the same parts with a 12V fan motor? A 12V 80A motor is a pretty hefty motor - not sure what you'd source it from... trying to think of a junkyard source. Maybe a couple of Taurus fan motors in parallel?
     
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    1960willyscj5

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    Yeah I did

    60 to 120 of them little electrical babies.

    Isn't that more strain on the alternator and battery than a winch?

    Thinking it over, I decided it was a dumb idea.:D
     
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    colojeepguy

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    Not to rain on anyone's parade or anything, but...
    The f-head is rated at 75 HP according to the FSM
    You could spend a lot of time & money building a custom blower setup, & you'd still be nowhere close to the stock 160HP of the Dauntless V6. Something more modern like a 4.3 Chevy would probably have even more HP. I'd bet a V6 swap, using mostly factory or proven aftermarket parts would be cheaper in the long run, be more reliable and give better performance. Not that it wouldnt be cool, an I'd love to see one running, but the supercharged 4 cyl just sounds like more trouble than it's worth to me.
    Just my opinion...
     
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    Howard Eisenhauer

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    I take it you've never climbed a mountain :)

    H.
     
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    colojeepguy

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    Nope, no mountains here in Colorado!:D
     
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    electric supercharger. thats funny. what about a turbo for the f134. id think that would be the way to go. cheapest way id think would be to get a v6 and be done with it. cost more up front but then it would be a done deal. isnt there a v6 that will bolt up the the f134 tranny and bell housing. im thinking of the one in the dauntless, i think thats how it spelled.
     
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