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Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Zoomer, Dec 20, 2002.

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  1. Mar 26, 2006
    Ab

    Ab Member

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    Re: VIN Numbers

    Looks like mine, VIN: 8305014-249450 Only this one is according to the plates on the dash from 1968 but the title says March 11th 1969

    Slightly different do, the petroltank is underneath the drivers seat.

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    Knew it was from Swiss origin, but never thought off the Swiss army.....
    This explanes a lot to me. I was looking for it original collors but could not find it.
    Maybe the original olive drab turned grey over the years.....
     
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  2. Mar 26, 2006
    Herobi

    Herobi New Member

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    Looks almost the same, never quite understood why my petrol tank is at the back, all early cj5's seem to be under the driver, maybe someone changed it?? Dont see a battery compartment on yours, but everything else looks similar. Mine was also the same colour as yours but the previous owner painted it. Is yours 24 volt? If its out the army i think it should be, thus 2 batteries. Did you put modern seats in? I am going to and wondered how much you have to change the mounting brackets. Also trying to put in a new steering wheel but having a nightmare finding an adapter (naaf) that doesnt make my steering wheel come too close to me, if anyone has any suggestions would be a great help.
     
  3. Mar 26, 2006
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Re: VIN Numbers

    They're not all under the driver's seat. They were moved to the rear of the Jeep for the last two years of production roughly to comply with Federal US safety standards so your Jeep would fit in that description.
     
  4. Mar 27, 2006
    Ab

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    Yours is probably older than 1970. Kaiser stopped with the top vacuumwippers at the end of 1968. Also the plates on the dash looks almost the same (see my pics) and there sure not as old as the Jeep! Maybe there added later by the Swiss. Notice that they are in German and France
    The Swiss bought CJ5 model cause they were cheaper than the M38's, but your model has got the typical 24v battery compartiment (also found on the M38A1 and the Dutch build NEKAF)
    There is also a possibility it's an M606. This is a militairized version of the CJ5, build from 1965 till 1972 for U.S.Armed Forces an export. The M606A1 is the 12v version and the M606A2 is the 24v version.
     
  5. Mar 27, 2006
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    With the numbers posted it'd be a '69 at least from what I can tell so far.
     
  6. Apr 12, 2006
    mudman

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    wow, lots of info in here, I just bought a cj, never knew it would be so hard to figure the codes. vin - 8305017 247252. 1968 or 69? i'm guessing from posts?? there's no motor but has a t14 tranny single lever transfer, 27 front and 44 rear. only thing i can't understand from looking at other pics is mine has a split front window that also opens forwards??? Is this stock or something someone has put on from an earlier year?
     
  7. Apr 12, 2006
    71Renegade

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    Re: VIN Numbers

    '71 CJ5 w/V6
    372843 - Feb. 1971
     
  8. Apr 24, 2006
    Ab

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    Mudman, take a look at this topic for your windscreen.....
    http://www.earlycj5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27207&highlight=gijive
     
  9. Apr 26, 2006
    Zoomer

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    Where's My VIN? (New VIN Project, Please Help Out)

    WYOMIKE, $ sink and I have started working on a VIN project since there are a lot of questions relating to VIN numbers, month/year of manufacture, paint and trim, etc. I've created a PDF document (that is a work in progress at this point) that is a guide to where VINs / serial numbers, engine codes, and paint and trim codes are located and what they mean. I will be updating it as time permits.

    The document is located HERE, you'll need adobe acrobat reader to view it.

    The starting VIN for each month of Jan 1960 through June 1967 is documented well, but the prior and later years appear to have little documentation relating to what serial numbers come from what month or even year. We are attempting to help narrow down the month / year boundaries with your help. We thought while we were at it, this may also be an opportunity to help narrow down when certain production changes occurred (like shackle reversal, snorkel cutout, etc).

    We're asking for your help. If you would like to participate in this project, please pm or email the following info to either myself (I prefer email, I'm not good about keeping my pm box cleared), WYOMIKE, or $ sink. You can post it here, but if you want to keep your VIN from being associated to you on the WWW I would suggest pm or email.

    We are looking for any of the following information should you choose to contribute:

    1. VIN #?
    2. Month/Year of manufacture from dash tag?
    3. Model year registered as?
    4. Factory Front Shackle Reversal (Yes/No) (Early CJ5's came with the front axle shackles to the rear)?
    5. Model 25 or Model 27 front axle?
    6. Snorkel Cutout on hood (Yes / No)?
    7. Windshield Frame Configuration (top mounted wipers, bottom mounted wipers with top of glass flat, bottom mounted wipers with top of glass arched)?
    8. Large or small front turn signals?
    9. Tapered or flanged rear axle?
    10. Underseat or rear mounted fuel tank?
    11. Hood mounted reflectors, front fender mounted markers, no markers / hood reflectors?
    12. Windshield washers?
    13. Single / Dual stick transfer case?
    14. Paint and Trim codes?
    15. Battery box cover on cowl?
    16. Bow sockets on rear body corners?
    17. 12V / 6V?
    18. Foot starter button / key start?
    19. Wiper (1 or 2) manual or electric?
    20. Hood safety latch / prop rod?


    If there are other production changes we should try to track, please let us know.

    If you come across other info that may be useful to this project, please submit it.

    If you find any errors in the above document, again, please let me know and I will correct it.
     
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  10. Apr 26, 2006
    Hippo393

    Hippo393 Jeepless

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    Re: Where's My VIN? (New VIN Project, Please Help Out)

    Ummm, I guess my Tux' is "the other white meat"?

    R) R) Sorry, couldn't resist. :D

    BTW I recognize some of those pics! ;)
     
  11. Apr 26, 2006
    Hippo393

    Hippo393 Jeepless

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    Another fun one:

    arid? :?

    Sorry for being a PIA...used to work as a proofreader. :oops: Nice compilation you guys are working on! :beer:

    Edit: Regarding this:
    What about details that we can't verify as original?
    I could provide answers to most of 1 thru 11, but many details have changed before I became owner which renders any opinions on originality speculative at best (e.g. axle, fender, grill, windshield swap). Make sense? :oops: In an effort to not confound your data, please advise. Thanks!
     
  12. Apr 26, 2006
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    LOL! Don't worry Mark, Alan does it to me all the time too with the proofreading.



    I was thinking about this too Alan. Seems like perhaps the focus should be on Jeeps that are known to be or suspected to be original. Oddballs like my '71 with a 2 piece 44 rear should be discounted IMO.
     
  13. Apr 26, 2006
    $ sink

    $ sink Gazillians of posts

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    Re: Where's My VIN? (New VIN Project, Please Help Out)

    I would say that if you KNOW that the part is not original to your jeep then it should not be included, but if it is a posibility that it is original, please include it. eventually, the anomilies (sp) will show.
     
  14. Apr 26, 2006
    grannyscj

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    Re: Where's My VIN? (New VIN Project, Please Help Out)

    I guess I'll start it off. Mine is verified by me as factory original (saw it come in on the truck).
    1. 8305017 364511
    2. March 1970
    3. 1970
    4. No shackle reversal
    5. Model 27 front axle
    6. No snorkel c/o
    7. Bottom mounted wipers w/ top of glass arched
    8. Large front turn signals
    9. Flanged D44 rear axle w/ trac-loc limited slip
    10. Underseat fuel tank
    11. Front fender mounted markers
    There you go. Sounds like a good project. You all are troopers.:v6:
     
  15. Apr 26, 2006
    $ sink

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    Your contribution to the resistance is greatly appreciated:flag:
     
  16. Apr 26, 2006
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Alan, I think you found a name for your rig... Tuxedo Pork R)

    As for my rig, and what was originally on it (much has been changed)
    1. 8305017 369673
    2. November 1970
    3. 1971
    4. No shackle reversal
    5. Model 27 front axle
    6. No snorkel c/o
    7. Bottom mounted wipers w/ top of glass arched
    8. Large front turn signals
    9. Flanged D44 rear axle (open), 3.73s
    10. Rear mounted fuel tank
    11. Front fender mounted markers
    12. Windshield washers
     
  17. Apr 26, 2006
    grannyscj

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    Hey Lynn, did yours have the draw bar or did they put the gas tank there?:v6:
     
  18. Apr 26, 2006
    Zoomer

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    Thanks for the edits Alan, we're looking for for all the help we can get, including proofreading!

    As far as non-original parts being unknowingly substituted by previous owners, I agree with Randy in that when we have a large enough sample, we'll be able to weed out the anomolies. By all means if you know something is not original, either omit it or note it on your submission.
     
  19. Apr 26, 2006
    lynn

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    Mine had a drawbar, but not the "K" member frame braces due to the rear fuel tank. I can't recall exactly how it was connected.
     
  20. Apr 26, 2006
    tdean48

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    1970 CJ5 Kaiser Jeep V6
    8305017 359111
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