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1967 CJ-6: First Build

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by double R, Dec 9, 2007.

  1. Jan 11, 2008
    double R

    double R Member

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    I was hating bondo during the first phase of shaping it with 40-60 grit and reapplying to areas that were still low. I sanded about half of what I applied and took me a full day. By the time I moved to 100 grit, then to 320 grit, I couldn't resist constantly rubbing the surface and stepping back to admire it. :) ...The pain made the result much sweeter.
     
  2. Jan 11, 2008
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    You will have to keep posting - and pics - on the paint job. There are a couple of us looking to do something simular (got to wait to spring now - to cold here in CO). I was looking to use the Valspar Paints we have here at Big R and others at Tractor Supply.
     
  3. Jan 11, 2008
    double R

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    It's approximately 6 hours later (5pm pst) and I just finished applying the second coat.

    From what I read, the dry time differs for different people. After the initial coat, the paint was dry to the touch in about an hour or two. The recommended drying time was approx. 3-4 hours. Some wait over night to play it safe. All depending on the weather. Well, today was a sunny day over here and, coincidentally, the side I was painting was facing the afternoon sun. It was baking for a good 4 hours. I really hope that was enough. I've been trying to resist doing the fingernail scratch test. I will give it some more time to dry and then maybe try it tomorrow.

    Although this was the second round, the bubbles that appear after rolling still made me nervous. I was concerned that they will dry. The tip that after rolling a portion and to go back to where you first rolled to lightly roll over the bubbles really works. Also, the paint at that point has had a little time to get tacky.

    The result of the second coat is still patchy and you can still see the sloppy brush marks I did using the touch up brush...I'm glad that, finally, the bare metal is now (somewhat) protected. :)

    Here are the pics:

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    Even with just two coats, the gloss is already showing...the gloss will disappear later as I sand the whole thing with 600 grit sandpaper.
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  4. Jan 11, 2008
    double R

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    By the way, there were a few debris that got on the paint...fibers from the towels I was using and whatever else. Those will get sanded out tomorrow.
     
  5. Jan 12, 2008
    double R

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    At noon today, I finished wet-sanding the painted area with 600 grit sandpaper. I bought the cheapest shammy for drying.

    The whole wet-sanding didn’t take that long; about 20 minutes for one side of the jeep. The first few sands, I was just going through the motions. As I got going, I began paying attention to the feel of the sandpaper on my fingers and could tell that the surface was getting smoother than it was before. I made sure I rinsed the sandpaper in the bucket of water often and was applying very light pressure. There were some areas where I sanded too much and it was close to exposing the underneath

    The first time the sandpaper hit the un-sanded surface, it sounds (and feels) like it’s rubbing against another sandpaper; grainy. I guess the grainy surface is an accumulation of bubbles that popped and probably looked like microscopic craters, some bondo tidbits that didn’t get sanded, dust in the air, etc…

    I would do approx. 1 square foot section and then wipe that area dry immediately. I read that the residue from the wet sanding can stain the paint.

    I just finished applying the third coat (1:50 pst). The mix I had stored in a jar definitely thickened a little and was rolling better. It had no bubbles at all while rolling and wasn’t as drippy. It was drying quickly too since the sun was already beaming down on the jeep before I started. The disadvantage of having it dry too quickly though is that the paint doesn’t get the full self-leveling time. According to the moparts.com thread, the paint shouldn’t be rolled on a hot surface. I think some people had adhesion problems. So, I covered the area to be painted with some blankets and removed them just as I’m about to roller. Before I began painting, I wiped everything with some mineral spirits and allowed it to air out for about half an hour.

    This third coat is starting to show the “canvas” color of the white and the coverage is better. I think the next coat this afternoon should give close to 80% coverage.

    The stroke lines are more obvious where I used the touch up brush.

    Here are the pics:
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    I’m still resisting the fingernail scratch test…
     
  6. Jan 12, 2008
    1970CJ6

    1970CJ6 new mexico air

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    Looking good

    Andrew
     
  7. Jan 12, 2008
    double R

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    "You will have to keep posting - and pics - on the paint job. There are a couple of us looking to do something simular (got to wait to spring now - to cold here in CO). I was looking to use the Valspar Paints we have here at Big R and others at Tractor Supply."-Warloch

    I'll keep updating and describing the process and the results. This is my first time doing this and it's going surprisingly well. I have two more coats to do and then a buff. If the the last coat (6th) still doesn't look completely opaque, then I might add two more coats after that.

    I've heard some had used Valspar. Is it alkyd enamel?. The latest thing in roller painting, I've read also, is Interlux Brightside. I was going to try it. It's boat paint but it costs more than rustoleum, I think.

    4th coat:
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  8. Jan 12, 2008
    double R

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    I'm excited to start painting the other side and the hood now that i'm getting the hang. My neighbor offered to spray the grill and the fenders (in exchange for some welding).

    I started the other day and I'm gonna wire wheel the rest of the tub's exterior in between coats tomorrow.
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    I looked at the wirewheeling that needs to be done on the tub's interior and already felt lazy.
     
  9. Jan 13, 2008
    Brian P

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    Hang in there, It will be worth it when your done. Looking good.
     
  10. Jan 13, 2008
    jeep4x4greg

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    so far its look'n pretty good!

    I'm taking notes..... :)
     
  11. Jan 13, 2008
    scott milliner

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    For the water pump to fan clearance. You could take the studs out of the water pump and replace them with bolts. I had to cut an inch out of the grill and went with a crossflow radiator. Here is what I came up with. Of course my motor sits alot lower then yours.

    http://groups.msn.com/ScottMilliner/fanshroud.msnw?albumlist=2
     
  12. Jan 14, 2008
    double R

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    Didn't get to apply the fifth coat until 8 this evening. I wetsanded this morning and gave the surface a wipe with mineral spirits prepping it for the next coat but the wind was too strong today. I didn't want to risk it. I risked on the evening...it was still windy but not as powerful. I couldn't resist.

    There's one thing I've forgotten to do with the 3rd and 4th coat and that is to give the freshly rolled coat about a minute or two to slightly self level, drip, do its movements, settle, and get slightly tacky...then to go over it once with an unloaded roller to even and smoothen it out. I had drip lines that had to be wet sanded out, not a big deal but i'd rather avoid them and get a nice even coat as much as possible before the wet sand.

    Here you can see the uneven surface after wetsanding the 4th coat...looks like hell!. I don't think I sanded enough. I didn't want to remove too much of the paint and I was planning on the next few coats to fill the low spots. I was just trying to knock off the high spots on the paint's surface.
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    this is the 5th coat. It did fill the low spots and smoothen the surface.
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    This time I went over the fresh coat once and repeated where I saw some drip edges. Just a light roll with the roller unloaded. Should minimize wetsanding tomorrow.

    BTW, the foam touch up brush I've been using is not the best when it comes to applying a smooth coat of paint. Most of the paint applied with it has obvious stroke lines.

    I'm gonna try out a different sequence of applying the paint on the next coat. So far I've been doing the big surfaces first with the roller and then using the brush on the tub's upper lips. Well, after I do the lips with the touch up brush, the paint drips to the coat i just did with the roller. I will do the lips first...so that if there are drips, they will get rolled over.

    By the way it looks right now, with the fifth coat, I'm thinking I want to go to 8 coats instead of 6. There a some bondo edges that I didn't feather too well that are showing. Hopefully you can see it in this pic...
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    the greenish tint is from the fluorescent light bulb i was using to light it.
     
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  13. Jan 14, 2008
    bkd

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    looking good...it'll be fun to see how it comes out for you. BTW I was one of those who looked the other way when I painted....I sprayed in my garage and driveway using a HVLP gun and Dupont auto paint:rofl:
    Jim S.
     
  14. Jan 14, 2008
    double R

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    I was about to look the other way too if my garage had room. I was ready to spray since Harbor Freight had their better HVLP gun on sale too last month...

    I guess it's automotive paint that isn't allowed to be sprayed by do-it yourselfers... but stores sell the stuff to make the bomb to anyone.
     
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  15. Jan 14, 2008
    double R

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    I looked at it today, and it looks like this will work. I got some rough measurements and will gain a couple inches of space.

    water pump studs to be replaced with bolts = approx. 1/2 inch more clearance
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    mounting flanges on the radiator to be moved= 1.25 inch clearance
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    removing an section off of the grill shroud= .75 of an inch clearance
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    total= 2.5 inches...

    anyone know of an electric fan that will fit?..
     
  16. Jan 14, 2008
    jayhawkclint

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    Put it on the front side of the radiator as a pusher instead of a puller.
     
  17. Jan 14, 2008
    Warloch

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    Sorry - had a brain fart - its Van Sickle, not Valspar paint that I am looking to use. Its an Alkyd Formula and they have hardner available for it. Supposed to be real bad if you spray it, so that is why I am looking at doing the roll on job.
     
  18. Jan 14, 2008
    Brieoff

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    Man, thats looking really good.
    Keep it up!
     
  19. Jan 15, 2008
    mpc

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    How many gallons of paint do you anticipate using?
    I'm now thinking I may do a roll-on job for my Wagon just to get some color on it and get the primer sealed.
     
  20. Jan 15, 2008
    double R

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    that was easy...what the hell was i thinking? I got a bunch of space on the other side!...

    do you know how fast it will dry with the hardener?

    I'm planning on 3 quarts...so far i've used half a quart of rustoleum. I've also used a quart of mineral spirits for both mixing and cleaning. most was used for cleaning.

    I replace the foam roller every two coats. in between coats, i wrap the foam roller in a sealable sandwich bag and pour just enough of the mix in there to cover the roller. next time I will try to just clean the roller with mineral spirits to make it last up to 4 coats or so...
     
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