1965 CJ5...the journey begins!

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I figured I'd start a new thread so that I don't clutter-up my introduction thread with 500 pics...lol. I just picked this one up yesterday: a 1965 CJ5. It's been a while since I've messed around with CJ's, so I've forgotten a lot of stuff. Here's how it sat in the PO's driveway:








The few things I do know or remember:

F-134 engine
Meyer full hard top (minus the rear cover and side glass)
Koenig PTO winch

This build might go a few different directions; it all depends on what I can find out about it (where it came from, what was it used for, etc.). For the time being, I just want to make it driveable and do some maintenance on it that hasn't been done in who knows how long.

More to come...

-WRM

 

After I got it home, it started raining before I could get it cleaned up much with the pressure washer. The body is in great shape (for its age), but shows obvious signs of a re-paint and some body work at some point. The paint that's currently on it looks like it was orange, but I think it may have originally been white (white-ish under the tool box lid, and under tub where there's no surface rust). The spare tire location has apparently been removed and there's evidence of some body filler in that location (although it looks like it was done really well). Here's a few more pics:





Has anyone seen another white sticker like the one I posted above? I emailed a few places that sell reproduction decals, and they've never seen anything like it. Is it possible that this Jeep was sold to a military contractor or possibly used by the federal or state government? It shows all the signs of a civilian Jeep, but a few things just don't add up.

Also, the chrome steel wheels that are on it appear to be somewhat period-correct, but I assume that it would have likely left the factory with 6.00-16 tires and painted steel wheels? The tires that are currently on it are 31/10.50R15's, so I think the wheels are 15x8's.



The rear bumper looks like might have came with the Jeep originally because it follows the body lines nicely, but I believe the pipe at the outside corners was added sometime later:


I've never seen a front bumper like this though; I'm hoping it was never a factory option as I would REALLY like to throw this monstrosity away...lol:



-WRM

 

Nice find, and welcome from Glendale,AZ.
That front bumper appears to be built very well. I would usually agree about taking that bumper off, but you could cut the post holders off, cap the ends, paint it and call it good. Then add your PTO winch

 

Welcome from north Phoenix, Nice to see another great find coming from the southwest area

 

I would have to agree with pielut on the front bumper. I would cut the ends down to shorten it up, sand it down and get it nice and clean, slap some paint on it and run it. purdy solid looking jeep you have there, congrates! And welcome from the Central valley.

 

After hours of pic searching through Google, it appears that the original bumper and winch mounting plates / fairlead is under all that mess. So, it looks like I'll cut the "mess" part away and keep what's supposed to be there. I might have to source or make a new bumper, but the winch stuff should be savable. More than likely, I'll just trim the ends of the original bumper (cut off where they welded on the post holders) and call it good enough for now.

On another note, the more I look at my front axle, the more it looks like a D30 instead of the 25 that should be there. It's not closed-knuckle, and it has larger drum brakes than the rear:





And, it looks like someone's done a shackle reversal in front?



-WRM

 

Yep, Dana 30...that's a bonus
Not a shackle reversal up front, it's original. The older 5's with the "C" shaped shackles were located aft of the front axle.

 

Why would it have a 10 leaf front spring pack? I assume that is a PTO lever between the seats?

Any chance this is a "work" jeep that has had the stuff removed? I know it's not one but somthing like a trencher?? Or digger?

 

I don't think I've ever seen a truck label on a cj-5. Must have been sold for an industrial use? And the warranty seems to be directed at government use. There's some interesting history in this jeeps back ground, I bet. Great find!

 

It's got 10-leaf packs front and rear; this isn't common? Yes, it's got the Koenig 51 PTO, but no evidence of anything in the rear that I can see (especially with that big rear bumper).

Which label are you talking about when saying "truck label?" From the research I've done (limited) about other folks' Jeeps that had that government warranty sticker, they were used by the USDA and forestry/game warden type outfits, so it's possible that this one saw similar duties.

Cool; thanks!

I also emailed Herm about the missing pieces to my winch; hopefully he has them all, or I'll have to make them. It's pretty much all there and spins / locks up fine, but the handle is broke (like most others I've heard of):



Also, the intermediate coupler (or whatever it's called) on the PTO shaft, is it supposed to be bent like this? This was taken from directly under the mount:



-WRM

 

This label

 

my 5 has a passenger vehicle sticker, no payload rating.

 

Ah, I got'cha...weird?

Oh, and here's the washer pump; it was in the dash (the stem w/o the knob directly to the left of the black data plate). You can see the date stamp (I presume) on the bottom of the pump.

-WRM

 

I was hoping to try and get this thing started for the first time this weekend, but I keep hitting snags. Right now, I'm trying to find out where some of the missing hoses / metal lines go and determine if the ones that are still there are routed correctly. By looking around quite a bit, I know that the vacuum port on the side of the intake manifold should go to the PCV valve on the side cover. But, I don't have a PCV valve (and can't seem to find one). Should I keep looking for an original PCV valve, or is there another one out there that will work and mount in the same way?

Also, the input tube on the oil bath air cleaner (that a hose would go onto to connect to the oil filler tube) is broken off. In the meantime, I'm using a cone-style filter attached directly to the carb-cleaner mount (PO installed). The open port on the fuel filler tube is just...open. Should I plug that with something in the meantime while I try to get the oil bath air filter housing fixed?

You can see the cobbled-together vacuum port on the side of the intake; one end apparently goes to the wipers and the other end is going to the fixed cap on top of the valve cover.

The hose on the bottom of the oil filter cannister is going to the timing cover, correct?

The hose near the top of the oil filter cannister is going to a fitting directly below the fuel pump location, correct?

Any suggestions on how best to fix this mess?

-WRM

vacuum fitting that goes to the wipers and the top of the valve cover


hose from near top of oil filter


hose on bottom to timing cover, hose near top to fitting under fuel pump


to vacuum fitting on manifold

 

Well, if you've been following my other thread on the fuel pump, you'll know that it's running now! Sort of...

It runs well when I manipulate the throttle, but it still has a few small issues that need addressing. Now that it starts, here's what needs to be fixed next:

1. Fuel inlet at carburetor: at some point, someone's tightened the 1/8NPT fitting too tight, and now I can get a normal fitting threaded in there tight enough. I haven't looked into it much yet (been sweating in the garage all day, and decided to call it quits for the night), but maybe I can epoxy the brass fitting in there? The only other options I can think of is to drill/tap the opening to 1/4NPT and use an adapter or find another carb to rob for parts.

2. Isn't there supposed to be something on the lower half of the block to hook the idle return spring to? At the moment, I've just got it hooked to something random to make it work.

3. Need to fix the idle

4. I had to replace the ignition switch because the owner couldn't find the keys (it was just a cheapo auto parts store switch), so I replaced it with a new one; exact same model. I put all the wires on the new switch in the same place as the old switch, but the starter doesn't appear to be disengaging after the engine starts. I can still hear it whirring at high speed... I guess I first need to read up on how to wire an ignition switch to make sure all the wires are in the right place.

Anyway, I'm just happy that it runs!

-WRM

 

Not a lot of progress, but enough to keep me motivated! A few weeks ago, I traded my hard top to a really nice older gentleman (with a yard full of Jeeps and parts...) for a set of 4 original wheels and a good RF fender. Got the wheels cleaned up and painted, and put on some nearly new 225/75R15's that I picked up off of CL for a song. It's amazing what $2 worth of white paint will do...

-WRM

 

Wheels are looking good! I noticed you have been putting tech questions in your build thread. You might want to put those in the tech forum also because a lot of the fellas don't have time to read through all of these, but they are glad to answer questions when they are in the forum.

Keep up the good work!

 

Even though the taillight wiring isn't completely sorted out, I took it out tonight for it's first lap around the neighborhood; first time I've seen it run/drive! Very exciting...even the neighbors got a kick out of it, since they always see me working on it in the garage, but never driving it...lol.

I never had the chance to get it into 3rd gear, but first and second seem to work fine. Brakes also seemed fine. Steering was stiff (to be expected), and I didn't notice any real slop, but I only had it up to about 25MPH at most. I also hear what I think is the brake shoes turning in the drum; I might need to adjust those.

-WRM

 

There are several things a bit different than the standard run of the mill cj5. The springs are very heavy duty. Like it was built to haul heavy loads. The shackle reversal. That was on military CJs but not on civilian. But there were the few one's as noted above. ON the back of the jeep, just above the K&N sticker, it looks like it has a purpose, but I don't know what. The data plate, second line down and on the left, says somthing about......Supply Service Armor ????? Vehicle. That is not a normal plate. IN the back of the jeep in one of the earlier picts, it looks like the PTO and a blower motor is sitting on a box or something that has been welded in the back where a seat would normally be. IT would also be good to see picts of the rear bumper. It looks like the front has the flag holders on the end of the front bumper but the rear bumper has the same looking holders. Is there a chance that it held some sort of rack or something?

It's a strange one. I know it had a working job and I'd really like to figure it out.

 

I'd love to know as well. I sent an email to Jeep about it, and they told me to write to the Chrysler museum and see if they had any answers. I'm still waiting to hear back from them... On the back of the Jeep, above the K&N sticker (and on the other side in the same location) are old reflectors that are falling apart. On the data plate, I think what you're referring to says, "Supply Arm or Service Maintaining Vehicle" but the field next to it is blank. Here's a better shot of the data plate:



In the back of the Jeep, what looks like a box is actually some sort of rear seat (it appears). At first glance, I thought it was something that was added by the purchaser, but it's actually really well-constructed; doesn't look pieced together. It's possible that it was either in there from the beginning, or taken from a similar vehicle (that used it as a rear seat) and then adapted it to the Jeep. It has a rolled lip in the front; not something I'd expect to see from some guy in a garage with a welder...

Here are some more pics of it:





It's stitch-welded ALL the way around the seat, and to the body. If it proves to be not original, it'll be a bear to remove...

You are correct in assuming that there were posts of some sort on each corner, but at some point they were cut off. Here's an additional shot of the rear bumper:



The bumper is such a good fit to the Jeep (see how the center portion follows the upward indentation of the body?) that it makes me think that it was either original to the Jeep or a dealer added item. It's also VERY heavy; it's 1/4" thick all the way around. I almost think it was something similar to this civilian defense Jeep I found on the 'net:



I wish these old things could talk; it'd make working with them a lot easier...lol.

-WRM