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The Flex

Discussion in 'Quitters' Club' started by Jw60, Jun 30, 2021.

  1. Jun 30, 2021
    Jw60

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    We have had our 2013 Ford Flex since 2016 and bought it with 113,000 miles.

    Now it's past 151,000 miles and all of a sudden it has lost power to move 3 times this month. You coast to a stop in the middle of the road.
    Throws a check manual screen with wrench image (not an idiot light) but no codes or anything.
    Engine shakes but does not die and isn't able to drive until you turn it off and back on again.

    I have noticed it doesn't cruise as well as it should but surges within 10mph.
     
  2. Jul 1, 2021
    Jw60

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    Make the count 4...
    But I caught it on camera (mirror is totally intentional for our friends across the pond :rolleyes:)
    I didn't have a good obdii reader but after a few minutes of looking at it shake and shutter I turned it off and on again and drove home without further incident.


     
  3. Jul 2, 2021
    ITLKSEZ

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    Our Dakota acted similarly when the crank position sensor went haywire. :shrug:
     
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  4. Jul 2, 2021
    Jw60

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    5th time was this morning. I hope it's something simple and easy
     
  5. Jul 2, 2021
    jzeber

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    I just did a quick search and the 1st things to come up are fuel pump and fuel filter. :shrug:
     
  6. Jul 2, 2021
    Twin2

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    with all the electronics on new vehicles
    you really need to take it to the new age mechanic . you know the ones that possess that magic diagnostic computer
    not the one at auto stores . for check engine light
     
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  7. Jul 2, 2021
    Jw60

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    Scheduled the soonest diagnostic appointment at the. Closest dealership that I halfway trust... July 12th :waiting:

    I'll get a fuel filter tonight for maintenance sake. Fuel pump won't happen on this in the driveway... maybe at my friend's with the 2 post lift.

    I've also seen posts about cam phasers, position sensors. I think this will likely still be at the shop during the Colorado trip so I might need to follow up on borrowing the f350.
     
  8. Jul 2, 2021
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    In the shop while you are in Colorado, all you have to do is pay the bill
     
  9. Jul 2, 2021
    Alan28

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    Diagnostic says parts to change but in my case it was just dirty contact or unplug wire.
    My shop mechanic is an honest guy and clean or re plug but in brand garages with beautiful space the do the change of parts...it's diagnostic...
     
  10. Jul 2, 2021
    Lockman

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    A faulty Catalytic will do the same thing.......?
     
  11. Jul 2, 2021
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    If you need something specific checked out just ask. I have access to alldata....

    Report Receipt Date: AUG 25, 2016
    NHTSA Campaign Number: 16V621000
    Component(s): FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE
    Potential Number of Units Affected: 77,502

    RECALL Subject: Fuel Pump Malfunction May Cause Engine Stall

    Manufacturer: Ford Motor Company

    SUMMARY:

    Ford Motor Company (Ford) is recalling certain model year 2013-2015 Ford Taurus, Ford Flex, Lincoln MKS and Lincoln MKT vehicles equipped with 3.5L GTDI Ecoboost engines and 2013-2015 Ford Taurus Police Interceptor vehicles. A component within the fuel pump electric module (PEM) may overheat causing a loss of electrical power to the fuel pump.

    CONSEQUENCE:

    A loss of power to the fuel pump will cause the engine to stall or prevent the vehicle from starting, increasing the risk of a crash.

    REMEDY:

    Ford will notify owners, and dealers will inspect the fuel PEM part number and replace the fuel PEM, as necessary, free of charge. The recall is expected to begin September 12, 2016. Owners may contact Ford customer service at 1-866-436-7332. Ford's number for this recall is 16S31.
     
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  12. Jul 2, 2021
    Jw60

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    Was not in this recall (no turbo) but did require replacement of the module in the church parking lot.
    That was a crank but no start, also no codes.
    I also have a contact with alldata and other fleet management type resources but I can relay anything to you if needed.

    The caddy converter could be clogged but I'm leaning towards a camshaft phaser or sensor because after idling worse than an oddfire with a cam for 20min all you have to do is turn it off and start it back up. It is a little down on power like the cam is flat. Oil looks good but is due for an oil change.

    Honestly I'm not too excited to borrow the f350 it's a 5 speed farm truck and will not be as pleasant to drive as the wife's Expedition. We'll just have to see. But my wife did say she'd drive the jeep to work that day of the diagnostic because I'll need to get the kids to swim practice. Guess that will work for making sure the cj is ready for the mountains.
     
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  13. Jul 15, 2021
    Jw60

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    Overdue follow up...
    I had to wait a week for a time slot to open at the trusted not-so-local dealership. Dropper it of Monday for a Tuesday afternoon appointment and sent the video above to the appropriate people. I got a call Tuesday morning, it lost power on the parts runner pulling onto the interstate. He was able to get it back to the shop for the codes to be pulled. They replaced the throttle body same day during the scheduled diagnostic time slot.
    Parts guy said it was the scariest experience of his life.
    I'm just need to pick it up.

    We are evaluating the role the vehicle has with us. On one hand it's paid for seats everyone. On the other i wouldn't mind something the 4 kids can ride trails in.
     
  14. Jul 15, 2021
    Mr Vaughan

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    If you put some cushions on the Wheelwells, the kids can ride in the cj, 2 on each side.
     
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    Jw60

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    picked up the car went around the lot and it didn't feel right. One of the salesman got the service manager. so they drove a little with me riding and it's staying there for further diagnostics.:(
     
  16. Jul 16, 2021
    Jw60

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    The Flex is home! It has to relearn the driving patterns so when I drove it yesterday it was like driving it off the assembly line. All they did was use it as the delivery vehicle for the day. All it cost me today was a quarter tank of gas (maybe 4gal and 80miles) but it's much better and improved in shifting in the 30mi drive home.

    I tested it's quarter mile, it's roundabouts, it's u-turns. I think it will be ready for the wife in the two weeks I have and if it doesn't die in that time I'll call that resolved.

    I am glad to have it back. It was like going home for the summer. We came in under budget so the dent will be addressed after the Colorado trip if I don't mess anything up.
     
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  17. Jul 25, 2021
    Jw60

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    So far so good, no sudden loss of power. shifting is almost normal. I'll likely pull the wheel speed sensors and check them for cracks and damage.

    Decided to clean the seats and work towards making it good as new. Scotchguard sure makes the seats slick!
    Nasty Nasty water.
    [​IMG]20210725_193831 by Joe with a jeep, on Flickr
     
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    Jw60

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    Following up on the flex... we have not had any further issues with it dieing but the surging is definitely getting worse I changed a wheelspeed sensor that got a little damaged with the wheelbearing replacements. Next I guess will be fuel filter.
     
  19. Sep 24, 2021
    Lockman

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    Check your Idle Ar Control.
     
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  20. Sep 24, 2021
    Jw60

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    I'll try to take a look in the morning. It's a new throttle body so it may not be plugged in good.
     
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