Ramsey PTO winch mount problems

I've searched the forums and can't seem to find any information on the issue I'm having. I got the winch mount drawings from Howard and they don't seem to match up with what I have. I have two (what i believe to be) original front mounts and one rear mount. The front mounts I have, have the 4 winch holes drilled 2 1/2" on center from the top, which is more than the 2 1/4" on center in Howard's picture. I don't think that's a big deal as perhaps there was a simple mistake in Howard's in that his measurement is from the top of the hole, not the center. The rear mount I have has the 4 winch holes drilled 1 3/4" vs. the 1 1/4" in Howard's picture. The weird thing is when the mounts are installed the back of the winch sits lower, it leans back a bit. I assume it should be mounted flat. Does anyone have experience with this issue? What am I doing wrong or what is wrong?

For reference: Howards drawing

Two pictures of winch mount misaligned

 

Are you sure that the mounts came from a cj5. My Ramsey 200r came from a Toyota and I had to build my own mount. I recommend that you set the winch in place with a cherry picker to see how it fits. Maybe all you need are a couple of spacers for the rear mount because what I see from the pictures you have isn't right the winch should sit level. The winch elevation is critical, there is only a small window to get the driveline between the radiator and bellcrank. You might have to start from scratch with a new design.

 

Measurements where off a stock setup on a early cj5. winch should sit level. Looks like your close, I'll go take a look.

 

Almost looks like the dimensions are reversed regarding height. the front should be higher to account for the thickness of the bumper and the rear should sit slightly lower, I'm guessing around 1/8"-3/16"

 

looking at all these pictures i deduce that a pto winch will not work with saganaw or ford steering mods. correct?
andy

 

Where there's a will, there's a way! Check nickmil's post at 10:04 AM...
http://www.earlycj5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78390&page=3

 

ok thanks. i wont give up yet. being away from my trucks i can't look at them when i have a question, and since i mentaly o/h & mod each one every week it is nice to have a group i can ask questions. thanks again & happy 4th july!
andy

 

the front of both my 70 and 67 have a upward bend in the frame where the front bumper bolts on so those pics look like normal to me

 

It appears that if i redrill to get things even, the drive shaft will hit the bell crank. If anyone has the mx-200R installed on their CJ5 or 6 could you please take detailed pictures of your winch from both sides, front and back and the drive shaft clearance. Something strange is going on and I can't figure it out.

I got the winch with the mount(s) from a guy on this forum and I cant tell from the pictures he sent me if it was sitting like that in his rig.

If i were to start from scratch and make a mount matching the figures from Howard, I'm almost 100% sure it would be high enough to be hitting the bell crank. Man, I wish one of you guys lived close to me and could come take a look...

 

Pics! MX200R dealer installed in a '57, hope it helps.

If any other views or measurements would help, let me know.

 

Front to back 6 3/8", side to side 24 7/8"

 

Sorry for the misunderstanding. The holes are 2 1/2" from the top of the front mount.

 

How about the rear mount?

Also,
Could you take a picture of the winch from the ends, level with the winch so I can see the orientation to the frame, from each side?

Is your front mount bent back a bit where the fairlead attaches? Did you put a spacer in to make the fairlead sit level?

On another note, wow is that clearance tight on the bell crank. Is that like an 1/8 of an inch? Does it rub a bit on the drag link?

Thanks for the help, I greatly appreciate it.

 

The front and rear mounts sit level with the frame. The front mount is bent up, and I shimmed the fairlead level, the PO use to pull the hook in too far. The clearance on the bell crank is close, but it has never hit, and the shaft does hit the drag link, and looks like it always did. I need to remove the winch to put a speedi-sleeve on the input shaft to solve a leak problem. When I remount it, I will push the winch as far to the driver side as possible to increase the clearance. Will post the pics you want tonight.

 

I have an original Koenig pto winch mounted on a 66 cj5. It is mounted on a piece of plate that is bolted thru the frame at each end. If you think it will help I can get you mounting info. The cj is all stock.

 

Here is a picture of the Koenig mount plate and the bumper. The roller apparatus is something we built to maintain spring loaded pressure on the cable when the drum is disengaged from the driveshaft to prevent the cable from unspooling. it looks like this is a little different than the Ramsey unit.

 

Can you send me a few photos of your Koenig mount? I have a Koenig, but it is on a wagon mounting frame. Trying to figure out how to adapt the mount to a cj or I may just start over from new.

Thanks

RVS