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FI a Dauntless

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by Warloch, Apr 15, 2009.

  1. Nov 19, 2009
    lowslowTJ

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    I am running the 1bbl Holley projection on an evenfire :v6:
     
  2. Nov 21, 2009
    terrorent

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    Does this MSD Digital 6-Plus need a distributor upgrade? I've been looking at the wiring diagrams and I can't see a clean way to wire it to a stock distributor.
    Maybe I'm just a dunce.
    :iagree:​
    I've never upgraded an ignition before, but it seems like a good thing to pair with a new fuel injection system.
     
  3. Nov 21, 2009
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    According to the MSD guy I talked to - it comes complete to fit the HEI. I downloaded and read the instructions and it looks straight forward as it replaces the Module in the HEI and just uses the magnetic pickup to trigger the spark with.

    I also verified the 12V Square wave Tach signal is clean enough out of the 6 Plus to use with the EZ-EFI.

    MSD also has a module replacement for HEI (#83645) but it works for V8's ONLY that cleans the signal in case folks want it for referance.
     
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  4. Mar 26, 2010
    curtcanada

    curtcanada L, L, and the POH!

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    Warloch...did you switch threads from this one? I'm starting my research for a rock crawler project. I originally planned on buying a vortec 4.3L with the driveline, but I would prefer to install the megasquirt onto an extra 225 oddfire that I already have in my possession. I'm interested to hear how this panned out...does this continue on a different thread, or, are you still working on it?
     
  5. Mar 26, 2010
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    Didn't change threads. Took a pause while working on the boys jeep (’49), and I spent $2K on a TIG that took some of these funds. Finishing a 'side' project to pay for things (server replacement at a small business - funds in a couple weeks). I will probably decide between the EZ-EFI and the Powerjection in the next week or so - keep waffling between them. The EZ-EFI is going to be more expensive (base cost and the ignition module), while the Powerjection is an easier install.

    I also have an old analogue Holley that is planned for the kids rig. His deployment to Afghanistan was moved up so we are not going to get it done before he goes. Plan is to put the EFI on mine so we can play before he shipps and I will finish the ’49 while he is gone.

    Over the next couple years I may end up with one of each as I can probably convince the wife her ’66 Mustang needs EFI if the one I get does not work like I want :).
     
  6. Mar 26, 2010
    curtcanada

    curtcanada L, L, and the POH!

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    You went away from the Megasquirt...any reason other than it's obviously more time consuming to come up with all of the parts? I dig the EZEFI and the Powerjection, but that price tag would give me a 4.3L Vortec with drivetrain, and Novak adapter for the D-18.
     
  7. Mar 26, 2010
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    Once I started pricing out the MS (I am not building my ECU, buying it together then would have used it for a 'sample for others) and the parts needed (TBI for 4.3's are hard to come by, need built and cost alot more than what I would have thought as they are in demand here) I was over a $K without the plumbing. Then there is the programming - I have done a couple Holley 950s with friends, and it's not as easy as they would have you think (and I am by no means a computer novice). I have one of those two who is waiting to see which I get and how it works and will probably replace his setup.

    I looked into the 4.3's - around here they go for quite a bit, and usually need a rebuild on it anyway. 'Sides - I want to FI and ODD fire, pop the hood somewhere and let folks try to figure out what I have in there :) and you just can not beat the sound (or the parts I have in mine).
     
  8. Mar 26, 2010
    curtcanada

    curtcanada L, L, and the POH!

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    :iagree:

    That's what I'm thinkin' too!
     
  9. Mar 27, 2010
    zed

    zed Iowa- Gateway to Nebraska

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    I'll be interested in what you do. I can't really commit the $$ for the kit install although it's attractive. I have the TBI from a 4.3 that I pulled before the yard here crushed all the older iron and also got snarky about pick and pull. I have stopped at the point of whether to put in a megasquirt which others have done or see if I can get the family "CFO" to pass the cost of a full kit.

    Price will be the determining factor for the kit. which EZ-EFI kit were you looking at. They seem to fit without an adapter to the 225 manifold?

    I really love the OF. always have and nothing sounds and pulls torque like it
     
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  10. Mar 28, 2010
    73cj5

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    Crack pipe idea: heads intake and ignition off a series 2 or 3 3800 (with or without superchager:twisted:) and tweak the ignition timing and injection to work with the different firing order?
    Worlds first MPFI Supercharged oddfire???
     
  11. Mar 28, 2010
    Reverend D

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    I like that idea. I was going to FI my 350 chevy years ago on my Z car project. At that time before I found out about the megasquirt I was looking at stock GM ECU's. My idea at that time was to just take a aftermarket 4bbl manifold (I had purchased a Weiand unit to do the mods on) and install injector bungs over each port.


    The throttle body was going to be a cheap affair with just a aluminum plate on the carb mount, a 90" aluminum elbow with another plate welded on that. This plate would then just mount your typical V8 single throttle body like off a multiport GM or Ford V8.

    I'd then aquire from the wrecking yard the required sensor's and wire accordingly. With the mega-squirt available now it would seem the same sort of setup with a much more tunable ECU makes what I had in mind even better from a tuning perspective.

    Of course like many, a divorce squashed all that idea losing tools, the car in question and much $$. I still have plans down the road to do this once we get somewhere I can work on vehicles again (in an apt, no garage eventually moving to land in Texas where we'll build me the shop I want).

    While TBI is still better than a carb, it works rather the same and if you want IMHO the best fuel metering than hands down multi-port is the way to go. I'm pretty sure having the bungs welded welded in a 225 stock manifold wouldn't be super expensive although it would require someone that could probably weld cast iron. The injector rails are bought usually by the inch if I recall and its then a matter of putting in your injectors, finding the distance between them and drilling the injector rail in the appropriate spot. The injector rail is then bolted down to the intake to hold the injector's in and keep both O rings (top and bottom of injector) sealed.

    I know I'm over simplifying this whole scheme and I havent addressed timing and such. I think on a 6 with the Megasquirt I'd go with three packs of 2 coils each to fire things. Then they would be fired from the appropriate timing wheel off the front of the crank, the distributor would then just be stubbed off and capped since it would then not be required.

    Is this a cheapest route, in the end it usually never is, but I still suspect it would come in about the same or slightly cheaper than a TBI kit if your shrewd and learn to get bargins on everything at the wreckers. FI doesn't have to be complicated, once you throw off all the oh my GOD all this wiring parts away, the mechanics of it are ridiculously simple. Sorry for the long post, just tossing some idea's out there probably worth what you paid for it... :rofl:R)

    Regards,

    Don

    Ps: Here is a page for creating a fuel rail out of stock material:

    http://hitechengineering.net/dnn/MegaSquirted450slc/Step4FuelRailfabrication/tabid/60/Default.aspx
     
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  12. Mar 29, 2010
    Warloch

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    Just for reference, I have decided to go with the Powerjection III setup. It will first get installed on my 225 with a Kenne Bell Number One single plane intake. I may at some point swap to an Offy Dual plane, but want to try it with what I have right now.

    All of my intakes are square bore (Kenne Bell and Offy) that I will be using it on. Hope to make the order this week once I get the funds thing finished :)
     
  13. Apr 13, 2010
    Warloch

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    Well - I finnally got to order the Powerjection III today. Summit says ship around the 21st... On the other hand, all of the -6 stuff I ordered to put it in with shipped today :)

    I will try to remember to take pics as I do this - 'course I might get too excited and just pop it on and run around the block first :rofl:
     
  14. Apr 13, 2010
    curtcanada

    curtcanada L, L, and the POH!

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    SWEET!!!!! If you can, keep a list of parts and personal instructions. I'd buy the book on how to change mine over! :D
     
  15. Apr 14, 2010
    Posimoto

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    I contacted the Powerjection people about this about a month ago. They said that while their unit would probably work OK with the stock manifold, it would be better to use a 4150 sq. bore manifold.

    http://www.summitracing.com/search/?keyword=Offenhauser 6035 DP&dds=1

    That's the way I am going.
     
  16. Apr 14, 2010
    dnb71R2

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    I think there are several of us who would do the same!
     
  17. Apr 14, 2010
    Warloch

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    I will have a parts list of everything I put in the install from the installed per instructions to the 'I am going to put a surge tank in (maybe later in the summer). I splurged and bought a whole bunch of -6 stuff (fittings, tools etc) as I am going to use Summit's Braded line and fittings for the install.

    Going through the instructions - the only thing NOT included that you need (this depends on your current fuel system) is a PRE Filter. I may have screwed up as I ordered SUM-230101 later reading that it is for carb setups. I believe it will work fine as a pre filter since the pressure will not be to FI levels at that point (hoping someone will confirm for me). I am also completely redoing feed and return lines in the -6. When I built my tank a couple years ago I plumbed it for a future FI setup.

    Now to find a vent for the tank (have a fitting by the filler as well as another threaded setup on the top of the tank for it) that I like and the list should be complete.
     
  18. Apr 14, 2010
    Posimoto

    Posimoto Hopeless JEEP Addict

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    As for the pre filter, I assume you would be worried about getting enough flow through it for their pump. Seems like if the pump puts out 45 psi it would need to be able to "suck" that much on the inlet side. Just guessing though.
     
  19. Apr 14, 2010
    Warloch

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    It's rated for 75 psi and 130 gal/hr - I just don't know the rating needed for the Powerjection on the 225 or what is normal for a 4.3.
     
  20. Apr 14, 2010
    bkd

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    I'd bet you'd be all right with that
    Jim
     
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